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    Bava Metzia 23a

    Chapter 2 - Ellu Metziot

    גם: בבא מציעא דף כ״ג ע״א, פרק ב׳ אלו מציאות

    English translation - Bava Metzia 23a

    Translation: William Davidson Edition - English. Read alongside the Aramaic below; numbers match the passages of the daf.

    1that they are trampled. Even if there had been a distinguishing mark on the bundles it would have been destroyed when it was trampled. If he finds them in a secluded area, the finder takes the sheaves and proclaims his find, as due to the absence of pedestrian traffic they are not trampled and the distinguishing mark remains intact. And with regard to the sheaves, whether he finds them in a public area or whether he finds them in a secluded area, the finder takes them and proclaims his find. Since they protrude high above the ground, they are not trampled.

    2And Rava explains, according to his line of reasoning, that the baraita is referring to bundles whose location is their distinguishing mark: If one finds bundles of grain in a public area, these belong to him due to the fact that they are kicked and they consequently roll to a different location than where they were placed. If he finds them in a secluded area, he is obligated to proclaim his find. Due to the absence of pedestrian traffic they are not kicked and do not roll, and they therefore remain in the location where they were placed. And with regard to the sheaves, whether he finds them in a public area or whether he finds them in a secluded area, the finder takes them and proclaims his find. Since they are heavy, they do not roll when kicked.

    3The Gemara suggests: Come and hear a proof from the mishna: If one found baker’s loaves, these belong to him. The Gemara infers: But if one finds loaves of a homeowner, he is obligated to proclaim his find. What is the reason? When one finds loaves of a homeowner he is obligated to proclaim his find because there is a distinguishing mark on the loaves. As each person shapes his loaves in a unique manner, it is known that the loaves of a person belong to that person. And there is no difference if the loaves were found in a public area, and there is no difference if the loaves were found in a secluded area; the finder takes the item and proclaims his find. Apparently, the legal status of a distinguishing mark that is prone to be trampled is that of a distinguishing mark. This is a conclusive refutation of the opinion of Rabba.

    4Rabba could have said to you: There, this is the reason that one must return the loaves of a homeowner found in a public area. It is due to the fact that one does not pass by food without picking it up. Therefore, it can be assumed that it will not be trampled. The Gemara asks: But aren’t there gentiles who do not treat food with deference and who will trample the loaves? The Gemara answers: Gentiles are concerned that the loaves were placed in a public area for reasons of sorcery. The Gemara asks: But aren’t there beasts and dogs that will trample the loaves? The Gemara answers: The mishna is referring to a place where beasts and dogs are not commonly found.

    5The Gemara suggests: Let us say that this dispute between Rabba and Rava is parallel to a dispute between tanna’im in the mishna. Rabbi Yehuda says: If one finds any lost item in which there is an alteration, he is obligated to proclaim his find. How so? If he found a round cake of pressed figs with an earthenware shard inside it, or a loaf of bread with coins inside it, he must proclaim his find. One may conclude by inference that the first tanna of the mishna holds that even in that case those items belong to him.

    6In explaining the tannaitic dispute, the Sages assumed that everyone agrees that the legal status of a distinguishing mark that could come to mark an item on its own without having been placed there intentionally is that of a distinguishing mark, and everyone agrees that one passes by food without picking it up. Accordingly, what is the basis of their dispute? Is it not with regard to the matter of a distinguishing mark that is prone to be trampled that they disagree? As one Sage, the first tanna , holds that its legal status is not that of a distinguishing mark, and one Sage, Rabbi Yehuda, holds that its legal status is that of a distinguishing mark.

    7Rav Zevid said in the name of Rava: If it enters your mind that the first tanna holds that the legal status of a distinguishing mark that is prone to be trampled is not that of a distinguishing mark and that one passes by food without picking it up, then in the case of loaves of a homeowner that were found in a public area, where the loaves would be trampled and their distinguishing mark destroyed, why does he proclaim his find?

    8Rather, Rav Zevid said in the name of Rava that everyone holds that the legal status of a distinguishing mark that is prone to be trampled is that of a distinguishing mark and that one passes by food without picking it up. And here, it is with regard to the legal status of a distinguishing mark that could come to mark an item on its own that they disagree. The first tanna holds that the legal status of a distinguishing mark that could come to mark an item on its own is not that of a distinguishing mark, and Rabbi Yehuda holds that the legal status of a distinguishing mark that could come to mark an item on its own is that of a distinguishing mark.

    9And Rabba could have said to you that everyone agrees that the legal status of a distinguishing mark that is prone to be trampled is not that of a distinguishing mark and that one does not pass by food without picking it up. And here, it is with regard to the legal status of a distinguishing mark that could come to mark an item on its own that they disagree. The first tanna holds that the legal status of a distinguishing mark that could come to mark an item on its own is not that of a distinguishing mark, and Rabbi Yehuda holds that the legal status of a distinguishing mark that could come to mark an item on its own is that of a distinguishing mark.

    10There are those who say, in explaining the tannaitic dispute, that the Sages assumed that everyone agrees that the legal status of a distinguishing mark that could come to mark an item on its own without having been placed there intentionally is that of a distinguishing mark, and everyone agrees that the legal status of a distinguishing mark that is prone to be trampled is not that of a distinguishing mark. What, then, is the basis of their dispute? Is it not with regard to the matter of whether one passes by food without picking it up that they disagree. As one Sage, the first tanna , holds that one passes by food without picking it up, and one Sage, Rabbi Yehuda, holds that one does not pass by food without picking it up.

    11Rav Zevid said in the name of Rava: If it enters your mind that the first tanna holds that the legal status of a distinguishing mark that is prone to be trampled is not that of a distinguishing mark and that one passes by food without picking it up, then in the case of loaves of a homeowner that were found in a public area, where the loaves would be trampled and their distinguishing mark destroyed, why does he proclaim his find?

    12Rather, Rav Zevid said in the name of Rava that everyone holds that the legal status of a distinguishing mark that is prone to be trampled is that of a distinguishing mark and that one passes by food without picking it up. And here, it is with regard to the legal status of a distinguishing mark that could come to mark an item on its own that they disagree. The first tanna holds that the legal status of a distinguishing mark that could come to mark an item on its own is not that of a distinguishing mark, and Rabbi Yehuda holds that the legal status of a distinguishing mark that could come to mark an item on its own is that of a distinguishing mark.

    13And Rabba could have said to you that everyone agrees that the legal status of a distinguishing mark that is prone to be trampled is not that of a distinguishing mark and that one does not pass by food without picking it up. And here, it is with regard to the legal status of a distinguishing mark that could come to mark an item on its own that they disagree. The first tanna holds that the legal status of a distinguishing mark that could come to mark an item on its own is not that of a distinguishing mark, and Rabbi Yehuda holds that the legal status of a distinguishing mark that could come to mark an item on its own is that of a distinguishing mark.

    14§ Rav Zevid said in the name of Rava that this is the principle of a lost item: Once the owner of a lost item says: Woe is me for the monetary loss, this indicates that he has despaired of its recovery.

    15And Rav Zevid said in the name of Rava: The halakha is that if one finds bundles of grain in a public area, those bundles belong to him. If he finds the bundles in a secluded area in a manner indicating that they had fallen, those bundles belong to him. If he finds the bundles in a manner indicating that they had been placed there, the finder takes them and proclaims his find. And both this ruling and that ruling are in the case of an item in which there is no distinguishing mark. But in the case of an item on which there is a distinguishing mark, it is no different if the bundles were found in a public area and it is no different if the bundles were found in a secluded area; whether the bundles were found in a manner indicating that they had fallen or whether they were found in a manner indicating that they had been placed there, he is obligated to proclaim his find.

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    One may not pass by food and leave it lying on the ground - One who finds food on the path is not allowed to ignore it and leave it there. Therefore, they are not trampled, because whoever finds them first picks them up.

    They are concerned about witchcraft - they assume that the food was placed there due to witchcraft, intended to cause harm to those who step on it. And even though they do not pick them up, they also avoid stepping on them because of fear of witchcraft

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    בבא מציעא 23 עמוד א

    1דמדרסא. ברשות היחיד נוטל ומכריז, דלא מדרסא. והאלומות, בין ברשות הרבים ובין ברה"י נוטל ומכריז, כיון דגביהן לא מדרסא.

    2ורבא מתרץ לטעמיה במקום: כריכות ברה"ר הרי אלו שלו דמינשתפא. ברה"י חייב להכריז דלא מינשתפא. והאלומות, בין ברה"ר ובין ברה"י נוטל ומכריז, כיון דיקירי לא מינשתפא.

    3ת"ש ככרות של נחתום הרי אלו שלו. הא של בעל הבית חייב להכריז. של בעל הבית מאי טעמא? כיון דאית בהו סימן, דמידע ידיע רפתא דאיניש איניש הוא. ולא שנא רשות הרבים ולא שנא רשות היחיד נוטל ומכריז, אלמא סימן העשוי לידרס הוי סימן, תיובתא דרבה!

    4אמר לך רבה: התם היינו טעמא משום דאין מעבירין על האוכלין. והא איכא נכרים נכרים חיישי לכשפים. והאיכא בהמה וכלבים! באתרא דלא שכיחי בהמה וכלבים.

    5לימא כתנאי: ר"י אומר: כל דבר שיש בו שינוי, חייב להכריז. כיצד? מצא עיגול ובתוכו חרס, ככר ובתוכו מעות. מכלל דתנא קמא סבר הרי אלו שלו.

    6סברוה: דכולי עלמא סימן הבא מאיליו הוי סימן, ומעבירין על האוכלין. מאי לאו: בסימן העשוי לידרס קא מיפלגי, מר סבר: לא הוי סימן, ומר סבר: הוי סימן?

    7אמר רב זביד משמיה דרבא: אי ס"ד דקא סבר תנא קמא סימן העשוי לידרס לא הוי סימן, ומעבירין על האוכלין, ככרות של בעל הבית ברה"ר אמאי מכריז?

    8אלא, אמר רב זביד משמיה דרבא: דכולי עלמא סברי סימן העשוי לידרס הוי סימן, ומעבירין על האוכלין. והכא בסימן הבא מאיליו קא מיפלגי, דתנא קמא סבר: סימן הבא מאיליו לא הוי סימן, ור"י סבר: הוי סימן.

    9ורבה אמר לך: דכ"ע סימן העשוי לידרס לא הוי סימן ואין מעבירין על האוכלין. והכא בסימן הבא מאיליו קמיפלגי ת"ק סבר: לא הוי סימן, ור"י סבר: הוי סימן.

    10איכא דאמרי, סברוה: דכ"ע סימן הבא מאיליו הוי סימן, וסימן העשוי לידרס לא הוי סימן. מאי לאו: במעבירין על האוכלין קא מיפלגי, דמר סבר: מעבירין, ומר סבר: אין מעבירין?

    11אמר רב זביד משמיה דרבא: אי ס"ד סבר ת"ק סימן העשוי לידרס לא הוי סימן, ומעבירין על האוכלין ככרות של בעל הבית ברה"ר אמאי מכריז?

    12אלא אמר רב זביד משמיה דרבא: דכולי עלמא סברי סימן העשוי לידרס הוי סימן, ומעבירין על האוכלין. והכא בסימן הבא מאיליו קא מיפלגי, דתנא קמא סבר: סימן הבא מאיליו לא הוי סימן, ור"י סבר: הוי סימן.

    13ורבה אמר לך: דכולי עלמא סימן העשוי לידרס לא הוי סימן, ואין מעבירין על האוכלין. והכא בסימן הבא מאיליו קא מיפלגי, תנא קמא סבר: סימן הבא מאיליו לא הוי סימן, ור"י סבר: הוי סימן.

    14אמר רב זביד משמיה דרבא: כללא דאבידתא כיון דאמר ״ווי לה לחסרון כיס״ מיאש ליה מינה.

    15ואמר רב זביד משמיה דרבא: הלכתא, כריכות ברשות הרבים הרי אלו שלו. ברשות היחיד, אי דרך נפילה הרי אלו שלו, אי דרך הנחה נוטל ומכריז. וזה וזה בדבר שאין בו סימן, אבל בדבר שיש בו סימן לא שנא ברה"ר ולא שנא ברשות היחיד, בין דרך נפילה ובין דרך הנחה חייב להכריז.

    Tosafot

    Ein ma’avirin al ha’ochlin"—Meaning, one is not permitted to pass over food, as Rashi explained, but rather, one must lift it. However, it is incorrect to explain that "ein ma’avirin" means "one does not trample upon food," as stated in Eruvin 64b, where Rabban Gamliel told Rabbi Ilai, "Take the loaf," because of "ein ma’avirin." This implies that he needed to lift it. Furthermore, the passage there states: "But in later generations, since people are more involved in sorcery, they do pass over [the food]." If "ein ma’avirin" meant "do not trample," then the statement about later generations being involved in sorcery would imply that they do trample, whereas here it seems that in places where people are concerned about sorcery, they do not trample at all.

    Therefore, it must be explained as I have stated—that "ein ma’avirin" means one must lift the food rather than pass over it

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    פי' כיון דיקירי לא מינשתפי כיון שהן כבדים אינן מתגלגלין ברגלי בני אדם ת"ש ככרות של נחתום שלו של בעל הבית נוטל ומכריז והנה ככרות של בעל הבית אע"פ שידועין הן ריפתא דכל חד וחד כיון שאם ידרסו מתפתחין ואין ניכרין למי הן למה מכריזין תיובתא לרבה דאמר לא הוי סימן. ופריק רבה שאני ככרות דלא מדרסי כלל דאין מעבירין על האוכלין ומתני' באתרא דלית ביה לא בהמה ולא אפי' כלבים.

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    אמר רב זביד כללא דאבידתא כיון דאמר ווי ליה לחסרון כיס מיאש מינה.

    אמר רב זביד משמיה דרבא הלכתא כריכות ברשות הרבים הרי אלו שלו ברשות היחיד אי דרך נפילה מצאן הרי אלו שלו אי דרך הנחה נוטל ומכריז וזה וזה בדבר שאין בו סימן [אבל ביש בו סימן] לא שנא רשות.

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