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    Bava Metzia 4a

    Chapter 1 - Shenayim Ochazin

    גם: בבא מציעא דף ד׳ ע״א, פרק א׳ שנים אוחזין

    English translation - Bava Metzia 4a

    Translation: William Davidson Edition - English. Read alongside the Aramaic below; numbers match the passages of the daf.

    1Would you say the same with regard to two witnesses, in which case the defendant takes an oath with regard to the claim that he denies, and not with regard to the debt about which they testify?

    2Rather, Rav Pappa said: Rabbi Ḥiyya’s a fortiori inference is derived from the extension of an oath that the testimony of one witness obligates him to take. Once a defendant is obligated to take an oath, the plaintiff can demand that he take an oath with regard to other claims that he has against him as well.

    3The Gemara rejects this: What is notable about the extension of an oath that is obligated by the testimony of one witness? It is notable in that one oath leads to another oath. The obligation to take the second oath is not caused directly by the witness. Would you say the same in the case of witnesses, whose testimony renders the defendant liable to pay money? Incurring liability to pay one part of the claim does not extend further and incur liability to pay the rest.

    4The Gemara responds: The admission of one’s mouth can prove that an element other than an oath can cause the defendant to be obligated to take an oath with regard to the rest of the claim. Although the a fortiori inference from admission alone was already rejected, due to the claim of: What is notable about the admission of one’s mouth, it is notable in that it is not subject to contradiction; the testimony of one witness can prove that even testimony that is subject to contradiction renders one liable to take an oath.

    5The a fortiori inference from the testimony of one witness was also rejected, as what is notable about the extension of an oath resulting from the testimony of one witness? It is notable in that the defendant takes an oath with regard to the matter concerning that which he testifies. Would you say the same with regard to two witnesses, in which case the defendant takes an oath with regard to the claim that he denies? Admission to part of a claim by one’s mouth can prove this difference irrelevant, as a defendant can be required to take an oath even with regard to a claim that he denies.

    6And the derivation has reverted to its starting point. At this point, the halakha is derived from a combination of the two sources: The aspect of this case, admission, is not like the aspect of that case, the extension of an oath resulting from the testimony of one witness, and the aspect of that case is not like the aspect of this case. Their common denominator is that these cases come before the court with a claim and its denial, and the defendant is obligated to take an oath. I will also include in the obligation to take an oath the case of Rabbi Ḥiyya, where there is testimony of two witnesses about part of the debt, which comes before the court with a claim and its denial. And therefore the defendant is obligated to take an oath. This is the inference to which Rabbi Ḥiyya was referring.

    7The Gemara rejects this: What is notable about their common denominator, i.e., the common denominator shared by admission to part of a claim by the defendant and the extension of an oath resulting from the testimony of one witness? It is notable in that the defendant does not assume the presumptive status of one who falsely denies his debts. He has not been proven to be lying, so he is trusted to take an oath. Would you say the same with regard to the case of two witnesses who contradict the defendant’s denial of the plaintiff’s claim, where the defendant assumes the presumptive status of one who falsely denies his debts? In this case, he is no longer deemed trustworthy and his oath may not be credible.

    8The Gemara asks: But in a case where his denial is contradicted by two witnesses, does he assume the presumptive status of one who falsely denies his debts? But doesn’t Rav Idi bar Avin say that Rav Ḥisda says: One who denies a claim that he received a loan and is contradicted by witnesses is fit to bear witness in a different case. He does not assume the status of a confirmed liar, as perhaps he intended to return the money afterward and denied the claim only in order to buy time until he acquired the necessary funds to repay the loan. By contrast, if one denies receiving a deposit and witnesses testify that he is lying, he is disqualified from bearing witness in other cases, as in that case he has no reason to buy time and is clearly a robber. Therefore, Rabbi Ḥiyya’s a fortiori inference stands.

    9Rather, refute the inference like this: What is notable about their common denominator, i.e., the common denominator shared by admission to part of a claim by the defendant and the extension of an oath resulting from the testimony of one witness? It is notable in that these cases are not subject to the halakhot of conspiring witnesses. Even if witnesses testify that the single witness lied, he is not required to pay the defendant the sum that he sought to require him to pay, which is the punishment exacted upon conspiring witnesses. Would you say the same halakhot with regard to two witnesses, who are subject to the halakhot of conspiring witnesses?

    10The Gemara rejects this: This is not difficult, as Rabbi Ḥiyya does not refute this inference based on the punishment accompanying the halakhot of conspiring witnesses. In other words, Rabbi Ḥiyya does not accept this refutation, as while this halakha does not apply at all to the admission of a defendant, it does apply to the testimony of a single witness in that if two witnesses testify that the single witness is a conspiring witness, his testimony is rendered void.

    11The Gemara asks: But with regard to that which was stated (3a): And the tanna of the mishna also taught a similar halakha to that of Rabbi Ḥiyya, there is a difficulty. Is the case of the mishna comparable to the halakha of Rabbi Ḥiyya? There, in the case of witnesses to a loan, the creditor has witnesses to support his claim that there was a loan while the debtor does not have witnesses to support his claim that he does not owe the creditor anything. As, if the debtor had witnesses to support his claim that he does not owe the creditor anything, Rabbi Ḥiyya would not require him to take an oath. By contrast, here, in the case of the mishna, just as it is clear to us that this claimant has a right to the garment, as he is holding it, so too, is it clear to us that that other claimant has a right to the garment, as he is also holding it. Yet nevertheless, in the mishna each party is required to take an oath.

    12Rather, when the phrase was stated: And the tanna of the mishna also taught a similar halakha , it was stated with regard to another statement of Rabbi Ḥiyya. As Rabbi Ḥiyya says: If one says to another: I have one hundred dinars in your possession, and the other says in response: You have only fifty dinars in my possession, and here you are, handing him the money, he is obligated to take an oath that he does not owe the remainder.

    13What is the reason? One who says: Here you are, while immediately giving the money, is also considered like one who admits to part of the claim. It cannot be reasoned that by immediately handing over the amount to which he admits, the defendant thereby reduces the claim by the fifty dinars that he denies owing, and he is consequently exempt from taking an oath like any defendant who denies the claim entirely.

    14Concerning this ruling of Rabbi Ḥiyya, the Gemara comments: And the tanna of the mishna taught a similar halakha , citing the mishna beginning: If two people came to court holding a garment.

    15The Gemara explains the comparison: And here, in the mishna, since each one grasps half the garment, it is clear to us that what one grasps is in his possession, just as if the other one had said to him: Here you are, I am giving it to you. And the mishna teaches that he takes an oath. Evidently, in a case where one denies part of a claim that is brought against him, and with regard to the rest of the claim he says to the claimant: Here you are, he is obligated to take an oath.

    16And Rav Sheshet says: One who says about part of the claim: Here you are, and denies the rest of the claim, is exempt from taking an oath about the rest. What is the reason? Since he said to him: Here you are, those dinars that he admitted to owing are considered as if the creditor has them in his possession already, and with regard to the other fifty dinars, the defendant did not admit to owing them. Therefore, there is no admission to part of the claim.

    17The Gemara asks: But according to the opinion of Rav Sheshet, the mishna is difficult, as it seems to be a comparable case and yet an oath is required. The Gemara answers: Rav Sheshet could have said to you: The oath mentioned in the mishna is a rabbinic ordinance, which pertains specifically to that case. In general, a debtor who immediately hands over the money that he admits to owing is exempt from taking an oath.

    18And how would the other amora , Rabbi Ḥiyya, respond to this assertion? Indeed, he would agree that it is a rabbinic ordinance. However, granted, if you say that by Torah law one who says: Here you are, is obligated to take an oath, that explains why the Sages instituted the oath mentioned in the mishna, as it is similar to an oath administered by Torah law. But if you say that by Torah law one who says: Here you are, is exempt from taking an oath, would the Sages institute an oath that has no corresponding oath in Torah law? Clearly, there is a basis for the oath instituted by the Sages in Torah law, and that basis is the case where the defendant says: Here you are.

    19The Gemara raises an objection to the opinion of Rabbi Ḥiyya from a baraita :

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    Would you say - regarding the oath [imposed as a result] of the [two] witnesses, where he does not swear regarding that which they testified to, but rather regarding what they did not testify to. Would he swear regarding that which he denied, and not regarding that which they testified to? How can you justify being so stringent?

    From the extension of an oath due to the testimony of one witness - if he had been obligated to take an oath due to the testimony of one witness, as we have stated, and there was another claim against him for which no oath had been imposed, we may extend this oath onto him and make him swear to both of them. The extension of an oath is from Torah law, as is derived in Kiddushin [Kiddushin 27b:5] from "and the woman shall say: Amen, amen" [Numbers 5:22] -- one can be made to swear even regarding that about which the witness did not testify.

    That an oath leads to an oath - the witness only obligates him to take an oath regarding that about which he testified; it is the oath that leads to [the second] oath. Would you then say the same regarding these witnesses? They would obligate him to pay the fifty about which they testified, but there is no oath here that could be used to lead to another oath regarding the rest of the sum.

    One's mouth can prove - [that is,] one who admits to part of the claim -- he swears regarding that portion which he denied -- about which his mouth did not admit.

    A claim and a denial - [one litigant] claims and the other denies -- those which are coming to court.

    Does not assume the presumptive status of one who [falsely] denies - he does not assume the presumptive status of a false denier because of what he denied -- maybe he has not [truly] contradicted him, since the [single] witness is not believed to render him [legally] contradicted and to cause him to assume the presumptive status of a [false] denier.

    Would you say with regard to witnesses - due to the fact that he denied the entire [claim], and they testified about the fifty, he is presumed to be a [false] denier, and we shall not say that we will believe him if he takes an oath.

    One who denies a loan - whether the entire amount or a portion of it, and witnesses come and testify before he had a chance to swear.

    Fit to bear witness - and we do not say he is a thief. The Torah states: "you shall not join hands with the guilty to act as a witness." [Exodus 23:1] Since loaned [money] is meant to be spent, maybe he needed to spend it, and thought "if I admit to him now, before I have the money, he will demand it from me immediately." But one who denies receiving a deposit, or even a portion thereof, and witnesses come and testify against him, he is rendered unfit to give testimony -- what right did he have to evade [the owner]? Perhaps you might say that he lost [the entrusted item] and is evading [the owner] until he can find it -- later on in our chapter we will establish that [we are dealing with a situation] where witnesses came and testified that [the bailee] has it in his possession right now.

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    בבא מציעא ד עמוד א

    1תאמר בעדים, שעל מה שכפר הוא נשבע.

    2אלא אמר רב פפא: אתי מגלגול שבועה דעד אחד.

    3מה לגלגול שבועה דעד אחד, שכן שבועה גוררת שבועה, תאמר בעדים דממון קא מחייבי!

    4פיו יוכיח. מה לפיו שכן אינו בהכחשה עד אחד יוכיח שישנו בהכחשה ומחייבו שבועה.

    5מה לעד אחד, שכן על מה שמעיד הוא נשבע, תאמר בעדים שעל מה שכפר הוא נשבע! פיו יוכיח.

    6וחזר הדין: לא ראי זה כראי זה, ולא ראי זה כראי זה. הצד השוה שבהן שעל ידי טענה וכפירה הן באין, ונשבע. אף אני אביא עדים, שעל ידי טענה וכפירה הם באין ונשבע.

    7מה להצד השוה שבהן, שכן לא הוחזק כפרן. תאמר בעדים שכן הוחזק כפרן.

    8ובעדים מי הוחזק כפרן! והאמר רב אידי בר אבין אמר רב חסדא: הכופר במלוה כשר לעדות. בפקדון פסול לעדות.

    9אלא פריך הכי: מה להצד השוה שבהן שכן אינן בתורת הזמה, תאמר בעדים שישנן בתורת הזמה!

    10הא לא קשיא: רבי חייא תורת הזמה לא פריך.

    11אלא דקאמר ותנא תונא מי דמי? התם למלוה אית ליה סהדי, ללוה לית ליה סהדי דלא מסיק ליה ולא מידי, דאי הוו ליה סהדי ללוה דלא מסיק ליה ולא מידי לא בעי רבי חייא לאשתבועי, הכא כי היכי דאנן סהדי בהאי אנן סהדי בהאי, ואפילו הכי משתבעי!

    12אלא כי איתמר ״ותנא תונא״ אאידך דרבי חייא איתמר, דאמר ר' חייא: ״מנה לי בידך״ והלה אומר: ״אין לך בידי אלא נ' זוז, והילך״ חייב.

    13מאי טעמא ״הילך״ נמי כמודה מקצת הטענה דמי.

    14ותנא תונא: שנים אוחזין בטלית.

    15והא הכא, כיון דתפיס [אנן סהדי דמאי דתפיס] הילך הוא, וקתני: ישבע.

    16ורב ששת אמר ״הילך פטור״. מ"ט כיון דאמר ליה ״הילך״, הני זוזי דקא מודי בגוייהו כמאן דנקיט להו מלוה דמי. באינך חמשים הא לא מודי, הלכך ליכא הודאת מקצת הטענה.

    17ולרב ששת קשיא מתניתין! אמר לך רב ששת: מתניתין תקנת חכמים היא.

    18ואידך? אין תקנת חכמים היא. ומיהו, אי אמרת בשלמא מדאורייתא ״הילך״ חייב מתקני רבנן שבועה כעין דאורייתא, אלא אי אמרת מדאורייתא ״הילך״ פטור מתקני רבנן שבועה דליתא דכוותה בדאורייתא?

    19מיתיבי:

    Tosafot

    [The oath obligated by] a single witness which is subject to contradiction and hazamah demonstrates [that an oath can be obligated by testimony which is subject to nullification by contradiction and hazamah ]. For proper understanding of this Tosfos we must keep in mind: Hazamah has a double function. It causes a) nullification of the testimony and also b) obligates the zomemim witnesses to pay their intended victim what their testimony would have cost him. For the sake of clarity, we will mark each reference to witnesses’ testimony with: z) for the zomemin witness who testify falsely about an intended victim. m) for the second set of witnesses who are מזים - discredit the zomemim witnesses. The word hazamah does not appear in our text of the Gemara. Tosfos will defend the text that does have this word in this sentence. The word hazamah usually conjures the punishment meted out to zomemim z) witnesses whose testimony is discredited by other m) witnesses who testify that we were with the zomemim witnesses elsewhere at the time of the purported event and they could not possibly have seen the event about which they are testifying. Usually, zomemim witnesses are subject to the punishment for the crime that they are testifying about. This is not true when there is only one witness. This is of course the reason for not having the word hazamah in the text of our Gemara, since a single witness is not subject to this penalty. Tosfos explains that even though one witness is not subject to the standard b) punishment of zomemim witnesses, the word can appear in our Gemara. The word hazamah can rightfully appear here in this sentence, since by the process of hazamah [the single witness’] testimony is nullified. Even though the usual punishment for hazamah b) is inapplicable, the process does a) nullify his testimony. This is an inherent weakness of a single witness’ testimony as compared to a defendant’s admission. At this point in the dialogue, where the Gemara is demonstrating the relative strengths and weaknesses of various sources of information, it is justified in mentioning that the single witness’ testimony is subject to a) nullification by the process of hazamah. At this point the Gemara is attempting to disprove the kal v’chomer that witnesses’ testimony on half the plaintiff’s claim can obligate an oath by the defendant. The objective of such analysis is to show that one’s admission is inherently stronger than the testimony of witnesses and that is why one’s own admission generates an obligation to swear, whereas witnesses’ testimony which is inherently weaker cannot generate such an obligation. Proof that one’s admission is more powerful > than witnesses’ testimony: One’s own admission cannot be nullified by the hazamah process, whereas: Witnesses’ testimony can be nullified by the hazamah process. Tosfos now entertains the notion that there is an extremely powerful aspect of one’s own admission as compared to witnesses’ testimony that seems to have been overlooked by our Gemara. That is the fact that zomemim witnesses must pay the amount that they planned to obligate their victim to pay. For example: When z) witnesses testify that Ruvain owes Shimon one hundred zuz and it turns out that they are zomemim, the z) witnesses must pay Ruvain one hundred zuz. This is totally untrue of one’s own admission. For example: If Ruvain admits that he borrowed a hundred zuz from Shimom on Sunday the first of Nissan at twelve noon in New York City. m) Witnesses testify that Ruvain was with them in Los Angeles on Sunday the first of Nissan at nine a.m. Pacific time. Ruvain is not obligated to pay even though m) witnesses say that he falsely admitted that he owes Shimon one hundred zuz. Perhaps the Gemara should have used this strength of one’s admission as compared to witnesses’ testimony to undermine the basis of the kal v’chomer. We should not ask this question to undermine the kal v’chomer by proving that one’s admission is stronger than witnesses’ testimony, as follows: What can you prove from one’s own admission, which is so powerful that he does not need to pay even when his admission is nullified by the process of hazamah? Can you say the same for witnesses who do need to pay their intended victim when their testimony is nullified by the process of hazamah? Proof that one’s admission is more powerful > than witnesses’ testimony: Witnesses must pay when their testimony is discredited by hazamah, whereas, One does not need to pay when his admission is discredited by hazamah. This challenge to the kal v’chomer is much more potent than the Gemara’s present challenge, which is demonstrating that one’s own admission stands even when assailed by hazamah as compared to the testimony of witnesses which is nullified by the process of hazamah. This is countered by introducing a solitary witness, whose testimony can also be nullified by hazamah and even so his testimony generates an oath obligation. Proof that even testimony that can be nullified by hazamah generates an oath obligation: The testimony of a single witness can be nullified by hazamah and even so it generates an oath obligation. But if the Gemara is demonstrating the power of an admission that he cannot be obligated to pay by the process of hazamah, we cannot use the single witness to prove that even when testimony is from a source that needs to pay when nullified by hazamah as proof that even testimony that is subject to the penalty of hazamah can generate an oath obligation, because the single witness also does not pay when his testimony is nullified by hazamah. Then had the Gemara focused on aspect b), the admission not being subject to paying when nullified by hazamah, [the Gemara] could not have said - a single witness proves that even testimony that is b) subject to pay when nullified by hazamah generates an oath obligation, because a single witness also does not pay when his testimony is nullified by hazamah. If so, both source of the common characteristic system would be instances where they cannot be obligated to pay via the process of hazamah. How can we learn from either of these two sources that witnesses’ testimony, which is subject to pay via the process of hazama can also generate an oath obligation? Tosfos explains that this argument that both sources of the kal v’chomer are beyond paying via hazamah is simply not true. It is definitely true that one’s admission is more powerful than witnesses’ testimony and that is why he does not pay when his admission is discredited by hazamah, but the same cannot be said for the single witness who does not pay when his testimony is nullified by two witnesses. For the reason that a single witness does not pay when his testimony is nullified by hazamah, is not because it is more stringent or more powerful than the testimony of two witnesses, as is one’s admission, rather, the reason for his not needing to pay is the inherent impotence of his testimony, because with his testimony he cannot obligate his intended victim to pay money. Therefore, since his statement is a) nullified via the hazamah process, it is considered that his testimony is subject to hazamah. In the case of a single witness, the b) punishment aspect cannot be invoked, because of the inherent impotence of a single witness’ testimony, but the a) nullification aspect can be applied. Thus his testimony is viewed as subject to hazamah. Even so, he can generate an oath obligation, so too, two witnesses whose testimony is subject to hazamah can also generate an oath obligation. The Gemara will soon say: How can you learn from the common characteristic of an admission and a single witness, but in both those cases the punishment of hazamah is not applied? We see that the Gemara does consider aspect b) a proper challenge to the derivation. But shortly the Gemara does use this aspect b) to challenge the common characteristic derivation? That is because when dealing with a common characteristic derivation we may challenge it even with an insignificant challenge. There is a definite weakness in this challenge as Tosfos pointed out earlier. That a single witness does not pay when nullified by hazamah is not because of the strength of his testimony, but rather because of its weakness. The Rabanan consider this challenge as too weak to disprove a healthy kal v’chomer, but since ultimately both a single witness and one’s own admission are not subject to the penalty of hazamah, this can be used to negate a common characteristic derivation, even though it cannot be used to overturn a kal v’chomer. R’ Chiya who does hold that we can learn from the common characteristic derivation that witnesses’ testimony can generate an oath obligation holds that even a common characteristic derivation, cannot be challenged with this insignificant challenge, because the reason that a single witness does not pay when nullified by hazamah, is because of his inherent weakness, because he did not have the power to generate a payment of money with his testimony.

    “The Tanna [of our Mishna] taught this”, [refers to] another [rule taught] by R’ Chiya. A review of our Gemara is in place: On 3a R’ Chiya teaches that A) if a plaintiff claims one hundred zuz and the defendant denies the claim entirely and two witnesses testify that the defendant owes fifty zuz, the defendant must swear that he does not owe the second fifty zuz, just as the defendant would need to swear if he had admitted owing fifty zuz. This ruling is referred to as the earlier teaching of R’ Chiya. Initially the Gemara said that ‘our Tanna taught’ this ruling in our Mishna. The Gemara on 4a then showed how this ruling cannot be deduced from our Mishna. The Gemara continues saying that there is a second ruling of R’ Chiya that our Tanna taught in the Mishna. That is the rule of B) ‘ הילך - here, it is yours’. For example: Ruvain says to Shimon you owe me one hundred zuz. Shimon responds: I owe you only fifty and here, it is yours. Shimon offers immediate payment for the fifty zuz that he admits owing. R’ Chiya says that even in this case Shimon needs to swear. Rav Sheishes disagrees. He holds that one swears only when he does not immediately offer to pay the portion he owes. The Gemara is now saying that when R’ Chiya said ‘the Tanna taught’ my ruling in the Mishna, he was referring to B) this latter ruling and not to A) his earlier ruling. In order to view this ruling and how it can be deduced from our Mishna from the proper perspective, we must understand that the case of the Mishna is one where there is an oath obligation similar to a) one who partially admits the claim of the plaintiff and b) he is obligated to swear even though he is offering immediate payment for the portion he owes. We must first see how in our Mishna a) there is an oath obligation similar to when one admits partial liability and then we can perhaps see R’ Chiya’s second ruling: b) that even when the defendant offers immediate payment, he is obligated to swear. For greater clarity let us review Rashi together: The Gemara initially thought that according to R’ Chiya, the reason for our Mishna’s ruling is because, we [the court] testify that the portion of the garment that each of the litigants is holding is his. This is similar to when one claims: you owe me one hundred zuz and the other responds: I owe you nothing. While witnesses testify that [the defendant] owes fifty zuz, as in the other [earlier ruling] of R’ Chiya, where [R’ Chiya] obligates [the defendant] to take a Torah oath. We will look at this case first from Ruvain’s and then from Shimon’s perspective: Ruvain claims that the garment is entirely mine. This is the equivalent of saying that you Shimon, owe me one hundred zuz. Shimon claims: it is entirely mine. This is the equivalent of Shimon saying: I owe you nothing! The court sees that half is definitely Ruvain’s, because he is holding the garment. This the equivalent of witnesses testifying that half of Ruvain’s claim is true. The Mishna rules that Shimon must swear to defend the half of the garment that he does receive. This is similar to R’ Chiya’s first ruling that the testimony of witnesses accomplishes the same as one’s own admission. Now, if we just reverse the roles of Ruvain and Shimon, we will have the same exact ruling for Shimon as we do for Ruvain. The Gemara sees this ruling of the Mishna in this light. Thus we have in our Mishna the basis for an oath obligation a) R’ Chiya’s first ruling. The Gemara also sees this case as one of ‘ הילך - Here, it is yours!’, since delivery of half the garment to each of the litigants is immediate. Thus we have demonstrated R’ Chiya’s second ruling b) that even in a case of ‘ הילך - Here, it is yours!’, there is an oath obligation. We, the court, testify that which this etc. [litigant is holding is his, and as if the other litigant said, “Here, it is yours.” Rashi explains that since our perception of what we see, is that Ruvain and Shimon each own at least half of the garment, this is equivalent to the testimony of witnesses who testify that Shimon owes Ruvain half of Ruvain’s claim. Shimon must swear that at least half is his because of R’ Chiya’s earlier ruling, that the testimony of witnesses (in this case, the court’s perception that Ruvain owns at least half of the garment) can generate an oath obligation on the other half of the garment. As explained earlier, we must first have an oath obligation and then we can apply R’ Chiya’s second ruling that even when immediate payment is offered the defendant is also obligated to take an oath. According to Rashi’s explanation, the basis for the oath obligation in our Mishna is R’ Chiya’s earlier ruling. Thus, by demonstrating that the Mishna is teaching R’ Chiya’s second ruling, we automatically have proof of his first ruling. If not for the first ruling, there would be no oath obligation at all. This is difficult, for since we cannot prove this latter ruling b) about when the defendant says, הילך - Here, it is yours!’, only because of the earlier ruling of R’ Chiya a) that one is obligated to swear upon the testimony of witnesses who say that the defendant is partially liable, we should also say ‘the Tanna taught’ about the earlier ruling of R’ Chiya. Since we can prove ruling b) only if ruling a) is true, any proof of ruling b) is automatically proof of ruling a). We are compelled to say that it is possible that ruling b) can exist without ruling a), and that our Mishna need not be understood specifically as a case of b) R’ Chiya’s latter ruling being imposed on an oath obligation established by his a) earlier ruling. There must be a way of explaining the initial oath obligation other then as a result of R’ Chiya’s earlier ruling. We already know that a) one’s partial admission generates a Torah oath obligation. We are considering that b) the testimony of witnesses about part of the plaintiff’s claim might also generate a Torah oath obligation. R’ Chiya’s latter ruling that even when the defendant says, “Here, it is yours!”, he must swear by Torah law is applicable in both instances, when the original claim is a) partially admitted by the defendant or b) when we hear from witnesses that he owes part of the claim. Our Gemara seems to be saying that the basis for the oath in our Mishna is that the court who sees that half of the garment belongs to Ruvain is the equivalent of b) the ' testimony. But must we say that the court’s view of this situation is equivalent to b) witnesses’ testimony? Perhaps it is equivalent to hearing an admission from Shimon that half the garment belongs to Ruvain? For this reason we can say, that the words in brackets in our text ‘we, the court, are witnesses’ used to describe our perception that Shimon owes Ruvain half the garment is imprecise, rather, now we consider that which [Ruvain] is holding [the garment] even more than the testimony of witnesses. It is considered as if [Shimon] admits to [Ruvain] that [half] is [Ruvain’s]. Thus the Mishna is an example of when R’ Chiya’s latter ruling is imposed on a) one’s own partial admission. There is no evidence at all that witnesses’ testimony that Ruvain owns half the garment would generate a Torah oath. Tosfos will now show that his explanation of the Gemara’s phrase ‘ אנן סהדי - we are witnesses’ as meaning ‘we perceive an admission’ is not problem free. As usual, we will need to review the Gemara’s rejection of R’ Chiya’s earlier ruling. The Gemara is discussing whether R’ Chiya’s earlier ruling was ‘taught by the Tanna’ of our Mishna: But that which [R’ Chiya] said “and our Tanna taught this” in our Mishna, is it comparable? There, in R’ Chiya’s case, the lender has witnesses that the borrower borrowed fifty zuz, but the borrower has no witnesses that he does not owe the lender more than the fifty zuz that the witnesses testified about. For if the borrower had witnesses that he does not owe the lender anymore, R’ Chiya would not require an oath for the balance, since the borrower has witnesses who testify that he owes no more than fifty zuz. Here, in the case of our Mishna, just as we are witnesses that [Ruvain] owns half, we are also witnesses that [Shimon] owns half, and even so an oath is required! It seems that the Gemara’s rejection of R’ Chiya’s earlier ruling is because whatever evidence we have on behalf of Ruvain, we also have that very same evidence on behalf of Shimon. Just as we have the equivalent of witnesses testifying that Ruvain owns half, we have witnesses who testify that Shimon owns half. When discussing R’ Chiya’s latter ruling, the Gemara neglects to cite the very same difficulty. Tosfos will now re-examine the basis for the oath in our Mishna, before we reach the issue of ‘Here, it is yours! But this remains difficult! For in any case we can challenge R’ Chiya’s deduction of his latter ruling from our Mishna by arguing that in our Mishna, just as [Shimon] admits to [Ruvain] that half is his, so too, [Ruvain] is admitting to [Shimon] that half is his and even so an oath is required, as [the Gemara] asks this very question about R’ Chiya’s earlier ruling. If so, how is this attempt to say that R’ Chiya was not discussing his first ruling but his latter ruling an improvement over the previous discussion about the earlier ruling of R’ Chiya? The same problem we have with the earlier ruling re-emerges with the latter ruling. Eventually, our Gemara says that even if the oath obligation in our Mishna is inherently Rabbinic, the Rabanan would not institute an oath that is not at all similar to an oath required by Torah law. Thus, if in a case of ‘ הילך - Here, it is yours!’ there would be no obligation to swear by Torah law, the Rabanan would not institute a Rabbinic oath in a similar situation. Tosfos suggest that even at this earlier point in the dialogue, the Gemara was utilizing this approach, even though it is first articulated later in the Gemara. We can answer: That now in this earlier point in the dialogue as well [the Gemara] is proving that in a case of ‘הילך - Here, it is yours!’ there is an oath obligation because of the reason that will soon be mentioned in the Gemara: If when a defendant who has admitted half says ‘Here, it is yours!’, he is exempt from an oath by Torah law, the Rabanan would not have instituted a Rabbinic oath that is not comparable to any oath prescribed by the Torah. Thus, the fact that in our Mishna an oath is required, even if this happens to be a situation where the oath is only Rabbinic, because the evidence on both sides is equal,it still proves that by Torah law in a situation of ‘Here, it is yours!’, there is an obligation to swear. We cannot say the same for R’ Chiya’s earlier ruling. It is possible that even if the testimony of witnesses cannot generate an oath obligation, the litigants in our Mishna would still be obligated to swear. However, according to the earlier ruling of R’ Chiya, even if witnesses’ testimony cannot generate an oath obligation and when witnesses testify that the defendant owes half the plaintiff’s claim he is exempt from an oath, the Rabanan would institute an oath in the case of our Mishna, because the fact that the litigants are each holding the garment is tantamount to an admission, which certainly generates an oath obligation. When we consider the source of information in our Mishna, which is that we see the two litigants each holding the garment, we may view this either as witnesses’ testimony or as an admission that half the garment belongs to each of the litigants. Even if we reject R’ Chiya’s earlier ruling that the testimony of witnesses generates an oath obligation, the case of two litigants holding a garment requires an oath because the fact that they are holding the garment is tantamount to an admission. Thus, the Gemara is correct in its rejection of R’ Chiya’s earlier ruling. However, if when a litigant says, “Here, it is yours!,’ he is exempt from taking an oath, there could be no requirement for an oath in our Mishna, because our Mishna is clearly a case of ‘Here, it is yours!’. Although Tosfos is satisfied with the logic of his explanation of the Gemara, he is unhappy with how it conforms to the text of our Gemara. This explanation is awkward! For according to this explanation, the reason that [the Gemara] could not say “and the Tanna taught it” in reference to the earlier ruling of R’ Chiya is because we can view [the litigants’] holding the garment as an admission and not as witnesses’ testimony, but that was not the gist of [the Gemara’s] challenge earlier. Rather, the reason for saying that R’ Chiya’s earlier ruling is not taught by the Tanna of our Mishna was articulated as: because just as we are witnesses for [Ruvain], we are also witnesses for [Shimon] etc., but according to Tosfos’ explanation that is not the reason at all, it is because each litigant’s holding the garment can be viewed as an admission by his opponent.

    And Rav Sheshet says - [One who says]: Here you are [is] exempt. Our Gemara fails to rule in this dispute. Tosfos tells us that elsewhere the Gemara does demonstrate its halachic preference in this issue. It appears that the halacha is in accordance with Rav Sheishes, for in Perek Hashoel (below 100a) in regard to a dispute about whether a large slave or a small slave was sold, [the Gemara] argues that there should be no oath obligation because it is a case of “Here, it is yours!”. The Gemara there is a clear indication that it assumes that one is exempt from swearing in a case oh “Here, it is yours!”. However, in Sefer Chaifetz it is to be understood that he rules that in a case of “Here, it is yours” the defendant is obligated to swear. See Tosfos Bava Basra 128b: ד'ה הלכתא. Tosfos there quotes Rabbeinu Chananel as also ruling in accordance with Rav Sheishes that in a case of “Here, it is yours!” the defendant is exempt from swearing.

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    Rabbeinu Chananel

    אלא תיתי מגלגול שבועה דעד אחד ונדחה גם זה - ואתינן לרבויה מפיו ועד אחד. ואמרי' הכי מה פיו שאין מחייבו קנס מחייבו שבועה עדים שמחייבין אותו קנס לא כל שכן.

    ופרכינן מה לפיו שכן אינו בהכחשה כמו שפירשנו למעלה - עד אחד יוכיח שכן ישנו בהכחשה ומחייבו שבועה.

    מה לעד אחד שכן על מה שהעיד עליו הוא נשבע תאמר בעדים שעל מה שכפר הוא נשבע פיו יוכיח שמשלם במה שהודה ונשבע על מה שכפר וחזר הדין וכו'. ופרכי' מי להצד השוה שבהן שכן לא הוחזק כפרן פי' אם כפר הלוה והעיד עליו עד אחד לא הוחזק כפרן שנאמר לא יקום עד אחד באיש וגו'. וכן אם כפר וחזר והודה לא הוחזק כפרן כדרבא דאמר רבא אדם קרוב אצל עצמו ואין אדם משים עצמו רשע תאמר בעדים שאם כפר ובאו עדים והעידו עליו [שחייב] שהוחזק כפרן ונפסל. ודחי' לה הכי וכי מי שכפר במלוה נפסל והאמר רב חסדא הכופר במלוה כשר לעדות והא דר' חייא מלוה היא ונדחית זו הפירכא. וחזרנו לפרך פירכא אחרת.

    מה להצד השוה שבהן שכן אינו בתורת הזמה פיו כדאמרן למעלה - עד אחד אינו בתורת הזמה שהתורה אמרה ועשיתם לו כאשר וגו' וכיון שאין עדות עד אחד אלא לשבועה ואי אפשר להשביע העד זו השבועה נדחת תורת הזמה מעליו שאין אתה יכול לקיים ועשיתם לו כאשר זמם וגו' וכדתנן [בריש מכות] מעידים אנו באיש פלו' שהוא בן גרושה וכו' ולעולם אין תורת הזמה אלא בשנים ועד שיזומו שניהם. בוא וראה כיון דאמר רב [שם ג ע"א] עד זומם משלם לפי חלקו מקשי' עליה והתניא אין משלמין ממון עד שיזומו שניהן ותריצנא להא דרב באומר העדנו והוזמנו בבית דינו של פלו' ונתחייבנו ממון כי האי גוונא משלם אבל כשיוזם עד אחד אין שם תשלומין. ותנן נמי ור' שמעון אומר מה שנים אין נהרגין עד שיזומו שניהן אף שלשה עד שיזומו שלשתן. ופרקי' דלמא רבי חייא תורת הזמה לא פריך כלומר אין זו פירכא. פי' ר' חייא תורת הזמה לא פריך אמר לך רבי חייא לא נדחת תורת הזמה מעד אחד מפני כחו של עד אחד אלא מפני שעד אחד אינו בא אלא לשבועה וכשיוזם אינו יכול להשביעו השבועה שזמם לעשות לאחיו וכיוצא בו נדחית תורת הזמה בשני עדים שהעידו על כהן שהוא בן גרושה וכו'. ואתינן לאוקמה לדר' חייא כמתניתין ולא דמיא דהא מתני' כי היכי דאנן סהדי להאי דכל מה דתפיס בהאי טלית דידיה הוא הכי [נמי] אנן סהדי לאידך. ותוב מתני' במאי דמסהדי (שהרי) [סהדי] דהוא דיליה עליה נשבע ותופס. לאפוקי דר' חייא דעל מה שכופר הוא נשבע.

    אלא אי איתמר והתנא שנאה על אידך דר' חייא דאמר מנה לי בידך והלה אומר אין לך בידי אלא ג' והילך חייב מאי טעמא דאע"ג דאמר ליה הילך כיון דעדיין לא נתן מודה מקצת הטענה הוא ותנא תונא שנים אוחזין בטלית וקתני ישבע והא אנן סהדי דבמאי דתפיס הילך הוא וקתני ישבע ש"מ דאפי' אמר ליה הילך מודה מקצת הטענה הוא וחייב.

    ורב ששת אמר הילך פטור דכיון דאמר ליה הילך כמאן דפרע להו דמי ובשאר הא לא מודה ליה ולא מידי הלכך לאו מודה מקצת הטענה הוא ומתני' תקנת חכמים היא וכר' יוחנן.

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