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    Bava Kamma 5a

    Chapter 1 - Arba'ah Avot

    גם: בבא קמא דף ה׳ ע״א, פרק א׳ ארבעה אבות

    English translation - Bava Kamma 5a

    Translation: William Davidson Edition - English. Read alongside the Aramaic below; numbers match the passages of the daf.

    1The Gemara asks: With regard to the payment made by conspiring witnesses, which is categorized as monetary restitution, as the witnesses pay the precise sum that they conspired to cause the defendant to lose, let Rabbi Oshaya also teach it as one of the categories on his list. The Gemara answers: Rabbi Oshaya holds in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Akiva, who says that conspiring witnesses do not pay on the basis of their own admission. Evidently, theirs is not a payment of monetary restitution; rather, it is a fine, as only one who was found liable based on the testimony of witnesses pays a fine, not one who was found liable based on his own admission.

    2The Gemara asks: If Rabbi Oshaya holds in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Akiva, let him teach two distinct types of categories of damage under the rubric of Ox: Let him teach one category for an ox that damages an ox or other property belonging to another person, and let him also teach the case of an ox that injures a person.

    3The Gemara explains its question: As we learned in a mishna (33a): In a case where the two parties damaged each other concurrently, Rabbi Akiva says: The owner of the innocuous ox that injured a person also pays the full cost of the damage with regard to the difference between the damage caused by his ox and the damage that the person caused the ox. Rabbi Akiva holds that if an innocuous ox injures a person, the owner pays the full cost of the damage, whereas if an innocuous ox damages another’s property then the owner is liable only for half the cost of the damage. Since the owner’s liability in the two cases is different, each case should be classified as a distinct category, and Rabbi Oshaya should list them separately in his baraita .

    4The Gemara answers: Didn’t Rabbi Akiva break the force of his fist [ gezizeih ], i.e., he significantly tempered the force of his statement, as it is taught in a baraita that Rabbi Akiva says: One might have thought that even in the case of an innocuous ox that injured a person, the owner of the ox would pay from his superior-quality property and not merely from the body of his animal, as in the case of an innocuous ox that damages property; therefore, the verse states with regard to an ox that gores a person: “According to this judgment shall it be done to him” (Exodus 21:31), from which it is derived that the owner of the ox pays restitution exclusively from proceeds of the sale of the body of his ox, and he does not pay from his superior-quality property. The mishna states that one pays restitution from his superior-quality property in instances of all primary categories of damage. Since in the case of an innocuous ox that injured a person even Rabbi Akiva concedes that the owner does not pay from his superior-quality property, it should not be included in a list of the primary categories.

    5The Gemara asks: As for the rapist, and the seducer, and the defamer, all of which are cases in which the offender pays monetary restitution, let Rabbi Oshaya teach them as categories in his list.

    6The Gemara explains why Rabbi Oshaya did not teach them as separate categories: Whichever way you look at it, they should not be listed. If the payments listed by Rabbi Ḥiyya are for damage caused to the woman’s body, which reduces her value, he already taught it; if the payments are for pain, he already taught it; if the payments are for humiliation, he already taught it; if the payment is for degradation, that too is a payment for damage, which he already taught. What, then, have you to say? What is the nature of the payments paid by the rapist and the seducer mentioned by Rabbi Ḥiyya? In these cases, each payment paid is considered a fine [ kenasa ], and as explained, with regard to cases in which one is liable to pay a fine, Rabbi Oshaya does not speak.

    7The Gemara asks further: And one who causes another’s teruma to become ritually impure, and one who mixes teruma with another’s non-sacred food, and one who pours another’s wine as a libation for idolatry, each of which is a case in which the offender must pay monetary restitution to compensate the owner for his loss due to the lowered value of his food or wine, let Rabbi Oshaya teach them as categories in his list.

    8The Gemara answers: Whichever way you look at it, these cases should not be listed. If Rabbi Oshaya holds that damage that is not evident, i.e., where the object is physically unchanged but its halakhic status is changed, is characterized as damage for which one is liable to pay restitution, Rabbi Oshaya already taught, i.e., included in his list, restitution for damage, and if he holds that damage that is not evident is not characterized as damage for which one is liable to pay restitution, then it is a fine, and, as explained, with regard to cases for which one is liable to pay a fine, Rabbi Oshaya does not speak.

    9The Gemara suggests: Since Rabbi Ḥiyya lists these cases as distinct categories, let us say that Rabbi Ḥiyya holds that damage that is not evident is not characterized as damage for which one is liable to pay restitution, as, if it were characterized as damage for which one is liable to pay restitution, didn’t he already teach, i.e., include in his list, restitution for damage? The Gemara rejects that suggestion: Even if he holds that damage that is evident is characterized as damage for which one is liable to pay restitution, he distinguishes between different types of damage. He teaches cases of damage that is evident and he teaches cases of damage that is not evident.

    10The Gemara considers the fact that each of the lists of primary categories is introduced with the number that they total: Granted, according to the tanna of our mishna, he taught the number of four primary categories in introducing his list to exclude those additional categories of Rabbi Oshaya. And similarly, Rabbi Oshaya taught the number of thirteen primary categories to exclude those additional categories of Rabbi Ḥiyya. But what does the number of twenty-four primary categories of Rabbi Ḥiyya serve to exclude?

    11The Gemara answers: He taught that number in order to exclude the cases of an informer, who provides information to the authorities leading them to confiscate another person’s property; and to exclude the case of a priest who renders an offering piggul by performing the sacrificial rites for one offering with the intent to sacrifice it for the sake of another offering, in which case the person who brought the offering must replace it with another.

    12The Gemara asks: And let Rabbi Ḥiyya teach these cases. Granted, he did not include the case of a priest who renders an offering piggul . Perhaps, with regard to cases involving consecrated items, Rabbi Ḥiyya does not speak. But with regard to the case of an informer, what is the reason Rabbi Ḥiyya did not teach it and include it in his list of categories? The Gemara answers: The case of an informer is different, as the damage is caused through speech, and with regard to damage caused through speech, Rabbi Ḥiyya does not speak.

    13The Gemara asks: But isn’t there the case of a defamer, where the damage is caused through speech, and yet Rabbi Ḥiyya teaches it and includes it in his list? The Gemara answers: He includes that case because it is a case of speech that involves an action. One who defames his wife is liable only if he made his allegation after engaging in intercourse with her.

    14The Gemara asks: But isn’t the case of conspiring witnesses a case of speech that involves no action, as they are liable for their testimony, and Rabbi Ḥiyya teaches it and includes it in his list? The Gemara answers: There, although it involves no action, the Merciful One characterizes it as an action, as it is written: “And you shall do to him as he conspired to do unto his brother” (Deuteronomy 19:19).

    15The Gemara considers the subcategories of the various primary categories listed: Granted, according to the tanna of our mishna, his terminology is understandable, as he taught primary categories, which, by inference, means that there are also additional forms of damage that are subcategories of those primary categories. But according to Rabbi Ḥiyya and Rabbi Oshaya, why did they employ the terminology they employed? They employed the term primary categories, which, by inference, means that there are subcategories. What are the subcategories of the primary categories they listed? It appears that they enumerated all the various categories of damage.

    16Rabbi Abbahu says: When Rabbi Ḥiyya and Rabbi Oshaya characterize, as primary categories, the various categories of damage that they listed, it is not to indicate that there are subcategories; rather, it is to indicate that all of them are characterized as primary categories, in the sense that one is liable to pay from one’s best -quality property.

    17The Gemara asks: What is the reason for this, i.e., from where is it derived? The Gemara explains: It is derived using a verbal analogy from the terms “in place of,” “giving,” “he shall pay,” and “money.” The term “in place of” is written with regard to a forewarned ox that gores (Exodus 21:36); “he shall give” is written with regard to an ox that kills a slave (Exodus 21:32); “he shall pay” is written with regard to the categories of damage of Eating and Trampling (Exodus 22:4); and “money” is written with regard to Pit (Exodus 21:34). The halakha that one must pay from his best-quality property is stated explicitly in each of those four verses. In each of the twenty-four categories listed by Rabbi Ḥiyya one of those four terms is written, so by means of a verbal analogy, the requirement to pay from one’s best-quality property applies to each of them.

    18§ The mishna states: The defining characteristic of the primary category of Ox is not similar to the defining characteristic of the primary category of Maveh . The Gemara asks: What is the mishna saying? Rav Zevid said in the name of Rava that this is what the mishna is saying: Let the Merciful One write one of the primary categories and derive the other categories from it. Then the tanna says: It is not possible to derive one category from one other category, as each category has its unique characteristics.

    19The mishna continues: And the defining characteristics of this category of Ox and that category of Maveh , in which there is a living spirit, are not similar to the defining characteristic of the category of Fire, in which there is no living spirit. The Gemara asks: What is the tanna saying? Rav Mesharshiyya said in the name of Rava that this is what the tanna is saying:

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    עדים זוממין דממונא הוא - דכל המשלם יותר ע"מ שהזיק כגון כפל ותשלומי ארבעה וחמשה קרי קנס כדלקמן בהך פירקין (בבא קמא ד' טו:) וכגון כל דבר קצוב האמור בתורה כגון חמשים של אונס ומפתה ומאה של מוציא שם רע כולהו הוי קנסא אבל מידי אחרינא ממונא:

    סבר לה כר"ע - דאמר במס' מכות בפ"ק (ד' ג.) עדים זוממין אין משלמים על פי עצמן כגון אם הוזמו בב"ד זה ולא הספיק בעל דין להעמידן בדין ולתובען והלכו למקום אחר והודו שם בב"ד ואמרו הוזמנו בבית דינו של פלוני פטורין אלמא קנסא הוא ומודה בקנס פטור:

    אי ר"ע ליתני תרי גווני שור - דהא לר"ע יש חילוק בין תשלומין של שור דאזיק שור דלא משלם אלא חצי נזק לתשלומי שור דאזיק אדם דתנן לקמן בפ' המניח את הכד (בבא קמא דף לג.) ר"ע אומר כו':

    במותר - אם חבל אדם בשור תם ותם באדם ושמו ב"ד חבלה שחבל שור באדם יותר מחבלה שחבל האדם בשור משלם בעל השור אותו עודף:

    לגזיזיה - לכח אגרופו כדאמר בסנהדרין בפ"ק (דף ז.) אדייה לגזיזה וקם:

    יכול ישלם תם שחבל באדם מן העלייה ת"ל כו' - ואשתכח דלא משלם נזק שלם אלא כמו שהשור שוה:

    אונס ומפתה דממונא הוא - שחמשים כסף לבד הוי קנס אבל יש בו פגם ששוה עכשיו פחות מדמעיקרא כדאמר בכתובות (דף מ.) ובושת דממונא הוא:

    ה"ג מה נפשך - משום מאי איצטריך ליה למיתני אי משום צער תנא ליה:

    מדמע - מערב תרומה עם חולין של חבירו דהשתא מזבין להו בזול לפי שאין יכול לאוכלה אלא כהן:

    מנסך - שניסך יין חבירו לע"ז ואסרו בהנאה הואיל ועביד ביה מעשה בגופיה דיין:

    שאינו ניכר - כגון הכא דאין הנזק ניכר בתוך הפירות דלא חסר להו:

    לימא קסבר רבי חייא לא שמיה היזק - ומשום דקנס הוא תני דלא הוי בכלל אבות דרבי אושעיא:

    אלא מניינא דרבי חייא למעוטי מאי - דלא מחשיב בהדייהו:

    מוסר - מלשין שמוסר ממון חבירו לעובד כוכבים:

    ומפגל - כהן ששחט קרבנו של ישראל חטאת לשום שלמים דאין הקרבן עולה לחובת בעליו וצריך אחר:

    וליתני ליה - ר' חייא האי מוסר:

    מוציא שם רע דיבורא דאית ביה מעשה - בעילה:

    מכלל דאיכא תולדות - כדפרשינן לעיל לכל חד וחד נגיפה ונשיכה לקרן נתחככה להנאתה תולדה דשן וכן לכולן:

    תחת נתינה כו' - דבכולהו כתיב או תחת וגמרינן תחת תחת משור מועד דכתיב ביה שור תחת השור מה התם ממיטב דגמר משן ורגל דכתיב ביה מיטב שדהו אף כאן מיטב שאם בא לשלם קרקע לניזק בשביל הזיקו מגביהו מן העידית או נתינה וגמר נתינה נתינה משור שנגח את העבד דכתיב ביה יתן לאדוניו או ישלם וגמר משן ורגל דכתיב בהן מיטב כרמו ישלם או כסף וגמרי מבור דכתיב ביה כסף ישיב לבעליו וארבע אבות גמירי כולהו משן ורגל בשומר חנם כתיב אשר ירשיעון אלהים ישלם בשואל כתיב בעליו אין עמו שלם ישלם בנושא שכר כתיב אם גנוב יגנב מעמו ישלם שוכר אינו כתוב בתורה אבל דינו כנושא שכר בנזק דחובל בחבירו כתיב נתינה כן ינתן בו והיינו ממון הניתן מיד ליד כדדרשינן בהחובל (לקמן בבא קמא דף פד.) בצער כתיב פצע תחת פצע ודרשינן ליה לקמן בהחובל (בבא קמא דף פה.) פצע תחת פצע ליתן צער במקום נזק בריפוי ושבת כתיב נתינה שבתו יתן ורפא ובשבת כתיב תחת גבי אונס ומפתה דכתיב תחת אשר עינה ודרשינן בכתובות בפרק אלו נערות (כתובות דף מ:) חמשים כסף תחת העינוי מכלל דאיכא בושת ופגם לישנא אחרינא הואיל וכתיב בחובל בחבירו תחת דכתיב תחת פצע כולהו חמשה דברים דידיה מהתם גמרינן בתשלומי כפל כתיב ישלם שנים ובתשלומי ארבעה וחמשה כתיב חמשה בקר ישלם תחת וגו' וקרן דגנב בכלל כפל הוא ובגזל כתיב נתינה ונתן לאשר אשם לו (במדבר ה׳:ז׳) בעדים זוממין כתיב בהו נפש בנפש (דברים י״ט:כ״א) וכמאן דכתיב תחת דמי באונס ומפתה ומוציא שם רע כתיב כסף ונתן לאבי הנערה חמשים כסף (שם כב) היינו אונס מפתה כסף ישקול כמוהר הבתולות (שמות כ״ב:ט״ז) במוציא שם רע וענשו אותו מאה כסף (דברים כ״ב:י״ט) מטמא ומדמע ומנסך בכלל נזק הן ובנזק כתיב ביה תחת:

    מאי קאמר - למה לי למיתני כלל:

    ותיתי אידך מינה - במה מצינו בשור שהוא מזיק וחייב אף המבעה שהוא מזיק יהא חייב:

    לא אתיא - כדמפרש לעיל רב לטעמיה ושמואל לטעמיה:

    בבא קמא ה עמוד א

    1עדים זוממין, דממונא הוא, ליתני! סבר לה כר"ע דאמר: אין משלמין על פי עצמן.

    2אי סבר ליה כר"ע ליתני תרי גווני שור ליתני שור דאזיק שור, וליתני שור דאזיק אדם;׃

    3דתנן, ר"ע, אומר אף תם שחבל באדם משלם במותר נזק שלם׃

    4הא תבריה ר"ע לגזיזיה דתניא ר"ע אומר יכול אף תם שחבל באדם ״ישלם״, מן העלייה תלמוד לומר (שמות כא, לא) יעשה לו מגופו משלם ואינו משלם מן העלייה׃

    5האונס והמפתה והמוציא שם רע דממונא הוא ליתני׃

    6מה נפשך אי נזק תנא ליה אי צער תנא ליה אי בשת תנא ליה אי פגם היינו נזק מה אית לך למימר קנסא בקנסא לא קמיירי׃

    7המטמא והמדמע והמנסך דממונא הוא ליתני׃

    8מה נפשך אי היזק שאינו ניכר שמיה היזק הא תנא ליה נזק אי היזק שאינו ניכר לא שמיה היזק הוה ליה קנסא ובקנסא לא קמיירי׃

    9לימא קסבר ר' חייא היזק שאינו ניכר לא שמיה היזק דאי שמיה היזק הא תנא ליה נזק תנא היזקא דמינכרא ותנא היזקא דלא מינכרא׃

    10בשלמא לתנא דידן תנא מניינא למעוטי דר' אושעיא ור' אושעיא תנא מניינא למעוטי דרבי חייא אלא מניינא דרבי חייא למעוטי מאי׃

    11למעוטי מוסר ומפגל׃

    12וליתני בשלמא מפגל בקדשים לא קמיירי אלא מוסר מאי טעמא לא תני שאני מוסר דדיבורא ובדיבורא לא קמיירי׃

    13והא מוציא שם רע דדיבורא הוא וקתני דיבורא דאית ביה מעשה הוא׃

    14והא עדים זוממין דיבורא דלית ביה מעשה הוא וקתני התם אע"ג דלית ביה מעשה רחמנא קרייה מעשה דכתיב ״(דברים יט״, יט) ועשיתם לו כאשר זמם לעשות לאחיו׃

    15בשלמא לתנא דידן תנא אבות מכלל דאיכא תולדות אלא לרבי חייא ורבי אושעיא אבות מכלל דאיכא תולדות תולדותיהן מאי ניהו׃

    16אמר רבי אבהו כולן כאבות לשלם ממיטב׃

    17מאי טעמא אתיא תחת נתינה ישלם כסף׃

    18לא הרי השור כהרי המבעה מאי קאמר אמר רב זביד משמיה דרבא הכי קאמר לכתוב רחמנא חדא ותיתי אידך מיניה הדר אמר חדא מחדא לא אתיא׃

    19ולא זה וזה שיש בהן רוח חיים מאי קאמר אמר רב משרשיא משמיה דרבא הכי קאמר׃

    Tosafot

    Didn't Rabbi Akiva break [the force] of his fist? The Gemara has stated that the Braita does not present the opinion of R’ Akiva about an ox that injures a person who is liable for full payment even the first time it damages. Tosafot wants to explain why the Braita cannot present this opinion. We will soon see Tosafot’ objection to Rashi’s explanation. One cannot say that because we are taught in the Braita that he, the tam who injured a person pays from his body, which indicates that he is a regular tam who only pays half,we now know that R’ Akiva changed his mind, and no longer holds that a Tam that injures a person pays in full. In Shemot 21, 28, the Torah is discussing an ox that gores a person. First the law of a tam is discussed and then the law of a muad. In verse 31, the Torah says “whether it gores a boy or it gores a girl, in accordance with this law shall be done to him”. Our rabbis disagree about the meaning of “in accordance with this law”. For in Chapter Hamaineeach (later 33a), the Gemara clearly states that R, Akiva says that the payment for a tam that gores a person is “in accordance with this law” (Shemot 21, 31), the law mentioned last in the verse, the muad that pays in full, and not the law mentioned first, the tam that pays half. The same Braita continues, one might think that he must pay from the choicest etc. and the Braita proceeds to teach that payment is from its body. We see that the same Braita that teaches us that R’ Akiva holds that the tam that injures a person pays in full also holds that it pays from its body. This disproves the contention that when R’ Akiva realized that a tam pays from its body he retracted about the full payment as well. And according to Rashi’s explanation there also is a difficulty. For he explained: that even though there will sometimes be less than full payment, because the ox is not worth the full value of the damage, and since there will not always be full payment the Braita does not mention it. This is inadequate; in any case the Braita should teach two types of shor, because sometimes there will be full payment. Even though there will not always be full-payment, the fact that there will sometimes be full-payment is sufficient reason for Tam that injures a person to be listed. And we can answer: that since the tam that injures a person pays only from its body, it cannot be listed together with the other avos, because later (on this page) we say that they, those listed in the Braita of R’ Ḥiyya, are all like avos in regard to the fact that they pay from the choicest. It is only the fact that they pay from the choicest that qualifies them as avos. The tam that injures a person that does not pay from the choicest cannot be listed with the other avos.

    The rapist, and the seducer, and the defamer, which are monetary restitution - The Gemara asked that the rapist, seducer and slanderer be included in the Braisa because there is a payment of damages (shame and a reduction of value) in addition to the fine. Tosafot points out that this is true only in reference to the rapist and the seducer, and not for the slanderer. For the slanderer there isn't any financial payment at all, only the hundred silver pieces and those are a fine. However the Gemara mentions him, the slanderer, because of the others. This trio usually appears together throughout the Gemara and that is why the slanderer is mentioned here together with the others.

    One who causes to become ritually impure, and one who mixes - The Gemara asked that these should also be included in the Braisa of R’ Oshayo. Tosafot says that this question could have been deflected simply. The Gemara could have said that they were not listed because they are not liable when the damage was done unintentionally, whereas all the avos are liable when done intentionally or unintentionally. Since they need not pay if the damage was unintentional and thus they are different than the other Avos mentioned in the Braisa.

    If it were recognized as damage - The Gemara seems to be upset with the fact that R’ Chiya’s Braisa would hold that unrecognizable damages are not considered damages. Tosafot wonders why? Ḥizkiyya who holds the position that they are considered damages is refuted in Perek Hanizakin (Gittin 53:), if so, why does the Gemara feel that it must find a way to reconcile the Braita with that refuted opinion? And even though Ḥizkiyya who says that unrecognizable damage is called damage is refuted in HaNizakin (Gittin 53b), even so, the Gemara would be more contented to establish the Braita of R’ Ḥiyya his father to concur with him.

    And teaches damage that is not evident - The Gemara answered that there is a need to mention forms of damage that are unnoticeable. Tosafot questions why is it necessary to mention three different forms? And the reason that the Braita teaches three varieties of unnoticeable damages is because they are taught together in פרק ניזקין, Gittin 52b. This system of mentioning all three varieties of unnoticeable damage because they are taught together elsewhere, even though it is only necessary to teach one in order to bring out the desired point is already employed in the Braita. In order to teach us that one is liable for indirect damage on 4b the Braita taught an unpaid guardian, the borrower, a paid guardian and the lessee. It is unnecessary to mention all of these to make his point, even so he taught many varieties of indirect damage, because elsewhere they are always mentioned together.

    He taught the number to exclude - Usually the word למעוטי means to exclude. If taken literally the Gemara is saying that our Mishna is excluding R’ Oshayo’s avos. This implies that the Mishna does not agree that they are avos. Tosafot tells us that we should not make the error of thinking that our Mishna actually holds that they are not avos. This term to exclude the avos of R’ Ḥiyya, is not because he does not hold of R’ Ḥiyya’s avos. R’ Oshayo definitely agrees that they are avos. Rather, what is meant is that they are excluded from the Braita because he is not discussing them. He chose not to list them in his Braita because he did not want to discuss fines.

    To exclude an informer, etc - The Gemara says that R’ Ḥiyya’s count excludes an informer and one who renders another’s sacrifice pigul. Tosafot tells us that those exclusions are not the only ones. The Gemara could have said that the count comes to exclude the payment of kofer and the thirty sh’kolim for the death of a slave who is killed by keren. And the reason that the Braita does not teach them is because he is not discussing payments for the death of the victims. And an informer and one who renders another’s sacrifice pigul, even according to the one who does not hold one liable for indirectly causing a damage, in these cases are liable because of a fine instituted to discourage such actions. This can be seen in the Gemara in Hagozel Batra 117a.

    Speech that involves an action - The Gemara defines the slanderer who is damaging his wife primarily by what he is saying about her, as דיבורא- words that are accompanied by an action. What is the action? For in פרק נערה, Ketubot 46a, R’ Eliezer B’ Yacov says that these words, the punishment of a slanderer, were only said when he, the husband, had relations with her, and that is the action that causes liability. And R’ Yehuda holds there that the slanderer is not liable until he hires witnesses to testify falsely.

    All of them are characterized as primary categories to pay from [one’s] best. It appears from the Gemara’s answer that the avos mentioned in the Braitas of R’ Oshayo and R’ Ḥiyya are called avos only because they pay from the choicest. It seems that to be liable to pay from the choicest is a characteristic reserved for avos and not for toldos. This is not true as Tosafot points out. And even though the toldos of the avos of our Mishna also pay from the choicest which shows that paying from the choicest is not reserved only for avos, if so, why does the Gemara say that they are called avos because they pay from the choicest? However, those avos of R’ Ḥiyya and R’ Oshayo, if they were not called avos by the Braita we would not know that they pay from the choicest. There is reason to believe that this group is weaker than the others. The Gemara said that R’ Oshayo did not list R’ Ḥiyya’s avos because they are fines. Our Mishna does not list R’ Oshayo’s avos because some of them are indirect damagers. Perhaps there is no requirement to pay from the choicest. Since they do not have Toldos, the designation as avos can only mean that the Braita intended to elevate them to the level of other avos that they pay from the choicest.

    In place of giving, etc - Rashi ד"ה תחת נתינה in a lengthy exposition of all the words and avos shows how we can derive that each av pays from the choicest. The derivation of בושת -embarrassment is a bit vague. Rashi says it may be included in the תחת mentioned in the Torah in the verses dealing with a rapist or in the verses dealing with one who wounds another. Tosafot brings to our attention that there is another source that he feels is more reasonable. In Sifrei we learn that embarrassment is paid from the choicest from the verse in D’vorim 25, 12, “ you shall cut off her hand and you shall not show pity”. In that verse we see that one is liable for embarrassing another person and he learns from the zom’mim witnesses where it is also written in D’vorim 19, 21, “ and you shall not show pity” that just as the zom’mim witnesses pay from the choicest, so too, embarrassment is paid from the choicest. And it should not be said that this is a regular “common word” method of learning, because the Gemara here does not say that we learn that avos pay from the choicest from תחת, נתינה and עיניך. Since our Gemara does not include the word עיניך among the four words of the “common word” method, it seems that our Gemara does not hold that this derivation is a proper “common word”. And as far as the zom’mim witnesses themselves, Rashi says that we learn that they pay from the choicest because it is written about them נפש בנפש “a life for a life”, even though the word תחת does not appear in that verse, the meaning of the verse is understood as if תחת was written in the verse and that is sufficient for the “common word” method. Zom’mim witnesses present an interesting dilemma. They usually pay exactly as they planned to cause their victim to pay. If so, why do we need to learn that they pay the choicest, let us see what the victim would have paid? And we must say that even when they testify falsely about a tam ox that damaged that does not pay from the choicest, or they testified that p’lonee owes p’lonee a moneh, one hundred zuz, whose law is to pay from the poorest, the zom’mim witnesses pay from the choicest, even though this not what they planned to do to their victim. Tosafot is basing his conclusion on an obvious question. Why is it necessary to have a verse teach us that zom’mim witnesses pay the choicest? For if they sought to make their victims pay from the choicest, we would not need a verse to teach us that they pay from the choicest, because we would learn from כאשר זמם that we do to them as they planned, that they are liable to pay from the choicest. Just as they planned that their victim would pay from the choicest, so too, they must pay from the choicest. The additional verse is necessary to teach us that even when they did not plan that their victim should pay from the choicest; the zom’mim witnesses still pay from the choicest.

    What is [the Mishnah] saying? The comparisons of subjects by the term לא ראי are legion. The Gemara never seems to have a problem understanding them. Why does the Gemara here suddenly need to ask; what does he mean? Because this לא הרי cannot be explained as the all other לא הרי that appear throughout the Talmud, the Gemara wonders, what was meant?

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    דברי ר' עקיבא דאמר בעדים זוממין אין משלמין על פי עצמן מפורש בתחלת פ' כיצד העדים נעשין זוממין. ת"ר ד' דברים נאמרו בעדים זוממין אין נעשין בני גרושה ובני חלוצה. ואין גולין לערי המקלט ואין משלמין כופר ואין נמכרין בעבד עברי משום ר' עקיבא אמרו אף אין משלמין על פי עצמן.

    פי' תבריה ר"ע לגזיזיה שיבר כלי זיינו שלוחם בהן כלומר חזר בו דתניא ר' עקיבא אומר יכול ישלם מן העלייה כו' וזה בפ' המניח את הכד. פי' מוסר המוסר את חבירו לעובדי כוכבים ונענש או מסר ממון חבירו לעובדי כוכבים אם יש עדים חייב לשלם. ודין מן הטוען טענת מסור ואין לו ראייה אני עתיד לפרשו במקומו בפ' הכונס צאן לדיר. אשכחן הני אבות נזיקין כו' בהדי מסור ומפגל ואית בהו ממונא וקנסא והזק בידים והזיקא דאתי ממילא. ואית בהו ממונא דאתא לידיה בהיתרא וממונא דאתא לידיה באיסורא. ואית בהו נמי היזק ניכר והיזק שאינו ניכר. ואית בהו דיבור שיש בו מעשה [כמו] המוציא שם רע. ודיבור שאין בו מעשה ורחמנא שוויי' מעשה עדים זוממין. ודיבור שאין בו מעשה מסור והני אבות תולדותיהן כיוצא בהן בר מתולדה דרגל בחצי נזק צרורות דהלכתא גמירי לה ואמאי קרי ליה תולדה דרגל לשלם מן העלייה וכולן מועדין הן מתחילתן בר מן הקרן. ושן ורגל ברשות הרבים פטורים דאורחייהו הוא. אמר ר' אבהו כולן כאבות הן לשלם ממיטב.

    מאי טעמא אמר אביי אתיא תחת נתינה ישלם כסף פי' מצאנו בפירוש בשן ורגל דכתיב ובער בשדה אחר מיטב שדהו ומיטב כרמו ישלם וגמרינן מינה דכל מקום דכתיב תשלומין הוא ממיטב בשור כתיב שלם ישלם שור תחת השור בבור כתיב בעל הבור ישלם במבעה כתי' מכה בהמה ישלמנה בהבער כתיב שלם ישלם המבעיר בשומרים כתיב ישלם שנים לרעהו. ובשומר שכר כתיב ישלם לבעליו. ובשואל כתיב שלם ישלם. (או שכיר) [שוכר] או כשומר חנם או כשומר שכר גנב חיים שנים ישלם תשלומי ד' וה' כתיב חמשה בקר ישלם תחת השור וארבע צאן תחת השה. בגזלן כתיב ושלם אותו בראשו. ולמד עוד מי שאינו כתוב בו לשון תשלומין בתחת תחת. כתיב בנזקי שור שלם ישלם שור תחת השור מה תשלומי שור כתיב ביה תחת והוא ממיטב אף כל היכא דכתיב תחת ממיטב הוא. וילפי מיניה הניזקין דכתיב עין תחת עין והעדים זוממים בכלל. צער חבורה תחת חבורה ויליף מינה האונס (של) [דכתיב] ונתן האיש השוכב עמה לאבי הנערה חמשים כסף ולו תהיה לאשה תחת אשר ענה. ותוב ילפי אחריני מן האונס מה אונס דכתיב ביה נתינה וכסף ומשלם ממיטב אף כל היכא דכתיב נתינה או כסף ישלם ממיטב. (ז' לי וג') ויליף מינה המפתה דכתיב כסף ישקל.

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