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    Avodah Zarah 43b

    Chapter 3 - Kol HaTzelamim

    גם: עבודה זרה דף מ״ג ע״ב, פרק ג׳ כל הצלמים

    English translation - Avodah Zarah 43b

    Translation: William Davidson Edition - English. Read alongside the Aramaic below; numbers match the passages of the daf.

    1This does not include the sun and the moon, as the Torah prohibits the fashioning only of a figure of all four faces of the creatures of the Divine Chariot together (see Ezekiel 1:10). All other figures, which are not in the likeness of the ministering angels, are permitted.

    2The Gemara raises a difficulty: If that is so, let the fashioning of a figure of a human face alone be permitted. Why then is it taught in a baraita : Figures of all faces are permitted, except for the human face?

    3Rav Yehuda, son of Rav Yehoshua, said: I heard in a lecture of Rabbi Yehoshua that there is a different reason why one may not fashion a figure of a human face; the verse states: “You shall not make with Me [ iti ]” (Exodus 20:20). This can be read as: You shall not make Me [ oti ]. Since the human being was created in the image of God (see Genesis 1:27), it is prohibited to fashion an image of a human being. But fashioning figures of other attendants of God is permitted.

    4The Gemara asks: And is it permitted to fashion figures of other attendants of God? But isn’t it taught in another baraita that the verse: “You shall not make with Me gods of silver” (Exodus 20:20), is interpreted to mean that you shall not make figures of My attendants who serve before Me on high, for example, ofanim , and seraphim, and the sacred ḥayyot , and the ministering angels?

    5Abaye said: The Torah prohibits fashioning figures of only those attendants that are in the upper heaven, i.e., the supreme angels in the highest firmament, but it does not prohibit fashioning the celestial bodies, e.g., the sun and the moon, despite the fact that they too are located in heaven.

    6The Gemara asks: And is it permitted to fashion figures of those bodies that are in the lower heaven? But isn’t it taught in a baraita with regard to the verse: “You shall not make for yourself any graven image, nor any manner of likeness, of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth” (Exodus 20:4): The phrase “that is in heaven” serves to include the sun, and the moon, the stars, and the constellations. The term “above” serves to include the ministering angels. Apparently, it is prohibited to fashion a figure even of the celestial bodies that are in the lower heaven.

    7The Gemara answers: When that baraita is taught, it is in reference to the prohibition against worshipping them. There is no prohibition against forming a figure in their likeness.

    8The Gemara asks: If that baraita is referring to the prohibition against worshipping them, then why does it mention only celestial bodies? It is prohibited to worship even a tiny worm. The Gemara answers: Yes, it is indeed so; and this prohibition is derived from the latter clause of that verse, as it is taught in a baraita : “That is in the earth” serves to include seas, and rivers, mountains, and hills. The word “beneath” serves to include a tiny worm.

    9The Gemara asks: And is the mere fashioning of figures of the celestial bodies permitted? But isn’t it taught in another baraita that the verse: “You shall not make with Me gods of silver” (Exodus 20:20), is interpreted to mean that you shall not make figures of My attendants who serve before Me on high, for example: The sun, and the moon, the stars, and the constellations. This is proof that it is prohibited to fashion figures of the sun and the moon. Consequently, the solution proposed by Abaye is rejected, leaving the difficulty of Rabban Gamliel’s diagram unresolved.

    10The Gemara proposes an alternative resolution: The case of Rabban Gamliel is different, as others, i.e., gentiles, fashioned those figures for him, and it is prohibited for a Jew only to fashion such figures; there is no prohibition against having them in one’s possession.

    11The Gemara asks: But there is the case of Rav Yehuda, where others fashioned for him a seal with a figure of a person on it, and Shmuel said to Rav Yehuda, who was his student: Sharp-witted one [ shinnana ], destroy this one’s eyes, i.e., disfigure it, as it is prohibited even to have a figure of a human being in one’s possession.

    12The Gemara answers: There, in the case of Rav Yehuda, his was a protruding seal, i.e., the figure projected from the ring, and Shmuel prohibited it due to the potential suspicion that he had an object of idol worship in his possession. As it is taught in a baraita : In the case of a ring whose seal protrudes, it is prohibited to place it on one’s finger due to suspicion of idol worship, but it is permitted to seal objects with it. In this case, the act of sealing forms a figure that is sunken below the surface of the object upon which the seal was impressed, which is not prohibited. If its seal is sunken, it is permitted to place it on one’s finger, but it is prohibited to seal objects with it, as that forms a protruding figure.

    13The Gemara asks: And are we concerned about arousing suspicion due to the use of a human figure? But what about that synagogue that had been destroyed in Eretz Yisrael and was reestablished in Neharde’a, and they erected a statue of the king in it? And nevertheless, Shmuel’s father and Levi would enter and pray in it, and they were not concerned about arousing suspicion. The Gemara answers: A public institution is different; the public is not suspected of having idolatrous intentions. Rather, it is assumed that the statue is there exclusively for ornamental purposes.

    14The Gemara asks: But wasn’t Rabban Gamliel an individual? According to this reasoning, his figures of the moon should have been forbidden as they would have aroused suspicion. The Gemara answers: Since he was the Nasi , the head of the Sanhedrin, members of the public would often be found with him, and therefore there was no room for suspicion. And if you wish, say there is an alternative answer, namely, that these figures were not whole; rather, they were formed from pieces of figures that had to be assembled. Only complete figures are forbidden.

    15And if you wish, say there is yet another answer: Fashioning figures in order to teach oneself is different, as it is taught in a baraita with regard to the verse: “You shall not learn to do like the abominations of those nations” (Deuteronomy 18:9): But you may learn in order to understand the matter yourself and teach it to others. In other words, it is permitted to perform certain acts for the sake of Torah study that would otherwise be prohibited.

    16§ The mishna (42b) teaches that Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel says: Those figures that are upon respectable vessels are forbidden. Those that are upon disgraceful vessels are permitted. The Gemara asks: Which vessels are considered respectable and which are considered disgraceful?

    17Rav says: These terms do not represent different types of vessels, but rather the location of the figure upon the vessel. A respectable location for an idolatrous figure is on the side of the vessel above the level of the water or food contents; a disgraceful location is below the water level. And Shmuel says: Both these and those locations on eating utensils are disgraceful. Rather, these are respectable locations: Upon bracelets, or upon nose rings, or upon rings.

    18The Gemara comments: It is taught in a baraita in accordance with the opinion of Shmuel ( Tosefta 5:1): Respectable locations for idolatrous figures are upon bracelets, or upon nose rings, or upon rings. Disgraceful locations are upon large pots, or upon small kettles [ hakumkemasin ], or upon samovars, or upon sheets, or upon towels.

    19MISHNA: Rabbi Yosei says: When one encounters an idol, he should grind the idol and throw the dust to the wind or cast it into the sea. The Rabbis said to him: What is the good of that? That also gives a Jew benefit from the idol, as it becomes fertilizer for his crops, and deriving any kind of benefit is prohibited, as it is stated: “And nothing of the proscribed items shall cleave to your hand” (Deuteronomy 13:18).

    20GEMARA: It is taught in a baraita ( Tosefta 3:16): Rabbi Yosei said to them: But isn’t it already stated: “And your sin,

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    ארבעה פנים - פני שור ואדם ואריה ונשר לחיה אחת דוגמת חיות הקדש דכתיב אתי השרויות אצלי:

    שבמדור העליון - כדכתיב אתי אבל חמה ולבנה במדור התחתון הם:

    דאחרים עשו לו - עובדי כוכבים:

    והא דרב יהודה דאחרים עשו לו - צורה בטבעת שהיה מניח:

    סמי עיניה דדין - פחות צורתו:

    חשדא - שלא יאמרו לה הוא עובד:

    חותמה - צורתה:

    ומותר לחתום בה - כשהוא חותם שוקע החותם בשעוה ואינו נראה מבחוץ:

    חותמה שוקע - אסור לחתום דכשהוא חותם הוי חותמה בולט. ולקמן פריך ה"נ ניחוש לחשדא:

    דשף ויתיב - שם מקום שהיה במדינת נהרדעא. ויש אומר יכניה וגלותו נטלו עמהן מאבני ירושלים ומעפרה ובנאוהו שם והיינו דשף ויתיב בנהרדעא נישוף כאן ונתיישב כאן והיינו דכתיב כי רצו עבדיך את אבניה וכו':

    אנדרטא - צלם:

    והא ר"ג יחיד הוה - וניחוש לחשדא:

    דפרקים - של חוליות ולא היה מחברם אלא בשעת בדיקת עדים וכל יומא לא חזו לה וליכא חשדא:

    למעלה מן המים - על אוגני הכלי:

    למטה מן המים - בשולים ובדפנות:

    מבוזין - שמשתמשין בהן במאכל ובמשתה ואין מכובדין אלא העשויין לתכשיט:

    שירין - צמידין:

    קומקמוסין - סירות קטנות של מתכת:

    מתני' וזורה לרוח - שלא יכשל בה ישראל ליהנות ממנה:

    אף הוא - אם יזרנה לרוח גם עתה יש הנאה ממנה:

    גמ' ואת חטאתכם וגו' - מואכות אותו טחון קא מותיב אבל מואשרוף לאו תיובתא היא דכל כמה דלא שחיק ליה מחובר בהדדי ואינו נעשה זבל:

    עבודה זרה 43 עמוד ב

    1לא אסרה תורה אלא בדמות ד' פנים בהדי הדדי.

    2אלא מעתה, פרצוף אדם לחודיה תשתרי! אלמה תניא: כל הפרצופות מותרין, חוץ מפרצוף אדם?

    3אמר רב יהודה בריה דרב יהושע: מפרקיה דרבי יהושע שמיע לי, ״לא תעשון אתי״ לא תעשון אותי, אבל שאר שמשין שרי.

    4ושאר שמשין מי שרי? והתניא: (שמות כ, כג) ״לא תעשון אתי״ לא תעשון כדמות שמשי המשמשין לפני במרום, כגון אופנים ושרפים וחיות הקדש ומלאכי השרת!

    5אמר אביי: לא אסרה תורה אלא שמשין שבמדור העליון.

    6ושבמדור התחתון מי שרי? והתניא: ״אשר בשמים״ לרבות חמה ולבנה כוכבים ומזלות, ״ממעל״ לרבות מלאכי השרת!

    7כי תניא ההיא, לעובדם.

    8אי לעובדם, אפילו שילשול קטן נמי! אין הכי נמי, ומסיפיה דקרא נפקא, דתניא: ״אשר בארץ״ לרבות ימים ונהרות הרים וגבעות, ״מתחת״ לרבות שילשול קטן.

    9ועשייה גרידתא מי שרי? והתניא: ״לא תעשון אתי״ לא תעשון כדמות שמשי המשמשין לפני במרום, כגון: חמה ולבנה, כוכבים ומזלות.

    10שאני ר"ג דאחרים עשו לו.

    11והא רב יהודה, דאחרים עשו לו, וא"ל שמואל לרב יהודה: שיננא, סמי עיניה דדין!

    12התם בחותמו בולט, ומשום חשדא, דתניא: טבעת שחותמה בולט אסור להניחה, ומותר לחתום בה. חותמה שוקע מותר להניחה, ואסור לחתום בה.

    13ומי חיישינן לחשדא? והא בי כנישתא דשף ויתיב בנהרדעא, דאוקמי ביה אנדרטא, והוו עיילי ביה אבוה דשמואל ולוי ומצלו בגויה, ולא חיישי לחשדא! רבים שאני.

    14והא רבן גמליאל דיחיד הוה? כיון דנשיא הוא, שכיחי רבים גביה. ואיבעית אימא: דפרקים הואי.

    15ואיבעית אימא, להתלמד שאני, דתניא: (דברים יח, ט) ״לא תלמד לעשות״, אבל אתה למד להבין ולהורות.

    16רשב"ג אומר וכו'. איזו הן מכובדין, ואיזו הן מבוזין?

    17אמר רב: מכובדין למעלה מן המים, מבוזין למטה מן המים. ושמואל אמר: אלו ואלו מבוזין הן, אלא אלו הן מכובדין שעל השירין ועל הנזמים ועל הטבעות.

    Baraita

    18תניא כוותיה דשמואל: מכובדין שעל השירין, ועל הנזמים, ועל הטבעות; מבוזין שעל היורות, ועל הקומקמסין, ועל מחמי חמים, ושעל הסדינין, ועל המטפחות.

    Mishna

    19רבי יוסי אומר: שוחק וזורה לרוח, או מטיל לים. אמרו לו: אף הוא נעשה זבל, שנאמר: ״(דברים יג״, יח) ״לא ידבק בידך מאומה מן החרם״.

    Gemara

    20תניא, אמר להם רבי יוסי, והלא כבר נאמר: (דברים ט, כא) ואת חטאתכם׃

    Tosafot

    The Torah only prohibited the celestial servants in the upper realm" - Rabbi Yitzchak explained that all of these answers given by Abaye are indeed valid, for since he did not say in each case that he was retracting, but instead simply stated, 'Abaye said,' it implies that he was not changing his opinion. Rather, initially, he derived from the verse a prohibition concerning the servants of the lower realm, such as the Temple and its hall, and then subsequently prohibited the servants in the upper realm, such as the Seraphim, the Ophanim, and the lower heavens—namely, the sun, moon, stars, and constellations, which are set in the second firmament.

    Since Rabban Gamliel had others make it for him - Rabbi Elchanan posed a difficulty, as it appears that Rabban Gamliel instructed a non-Jew to make it, yet instructing a non-Jew (to perform work) is rabbinically prohibited (shvut), even for something unrelated to Shabbat, as we say in the chapter 'The Hired Workers' (Bava Metzia 90a) regarding 'Muzzle my ox and thresh with it.' One could answer that a mitzvah is different. Some want to be stringent and not have a non-Jew make an impression with a human image for a loan unless the non-Jew offers to do so on their own. Similarly, they should not wear belts that have a raised human image. However, there is a basis for leniency in the Hilchot Gedolot, which discusses the case of Rav Yehuda regarding a dragon image, where suspicion of idolatry applies more than with other images, as it states: 'One who finds utensils with a dragon image, etc., should take them to the Dead Sea.' And with an anderetai (a carved likeness), the concern for suspicion arose because it was a statue of a full human figure, with arms and legs.

    And behold, Rav Yehudah—others made (it) for him - Explanation: and even so, Shmuel warned him not to keep it, unless he would blind its eye so that they would not suspect him of having made it and (thus) transgressed 'You shall not make (with me...) and (the Gemara) answers: Rav Yehudah's case was different, because its seal was protruding and it was not due to suspicion of making it, but rather due to suspicion of idol worship.

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    And Abaye resolves - The Torah only prohibited making objects that resemble items which can be replicated by humans. As it was taught in a Baraita: “One should not make a house in the likeness of the Sanctuary (Heichal), forty cubits in length and twenty cubits in width, nor an entryway resembling the Ulam [Temple Hall],” etc. However, objects like the sun, the moon, and similar items, which a human cannot replicate, are not prohibited by the Torah. But then we raise an objection: Really? Wasn’t it taught in another Baraita: "Do not make with Me"—this teaches that you shall not make in the likeness of My servants who serve before Me in the heavens? We counter: The Torah only prohibits making the likeness of the four faces together (like the four faces of the Heavenly Chariot).Then we question: If that’s the case, would making the face of a human alone be permitted? Why then does another Baraita teach that all facial images are permitted except for the human face? Rav Huna, son of Rav Yehoshua, explains: He (the other authority) was not aware of the interpretation of “Do not make with Me”—“Do not make images of Me.” However, other items are permitted. But again, didn’t we learn in a Baraita: "Do not make in the likeness of My servants who serve before Me in the heavens," including beings like the Ophanim (celestial beings)? To this we respond: The case of Rabban Gamliel, who used certain images, is different because others made them for him. Still, is that the case? Rav Yehuda had others make for him a ring bearing an image, to use as a seal. And Shmuel said to him, “Sharp one, erase its appearance”—meaning, remove its image. And we resolve: In Rav Yehuda’s case, his seal was embossed, meaning it stood out and was raised, which could lead to suspicion, as it was taught in a Baraita: "A ring with a raised seal may not be worn on one’s finger, but it is permitted to use it for sealing. A ring with an indented seal may be worn, but it is forbidden to use it for sealing."

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