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    Eruvin 44a

    Chapter 4 - Mi SheHotziuhu

    גם: עירובין דף מ״ד ע״א, פרק ד׳ מי שהוציאוהו

    English translation - Eruvin 44a

    Translation: William Davidson Edition - English. Read alongside the Aramaic below; numbers match the passages of the daf.

    1or is the halakha not in accordance with the opinion of Rabban Gamliel? Or perhaps we are dealing with a case where the space between Neḥemya and the Shabbat limit could not be filled with people who had established an eiruv and were permitted to establish a human partition for Neḥemya. In that case, there were enough people to establish partitions from where Neḥemya was standing to within two cubits from the limit, and the dilemma that Rav Ḥisda raised was: Is the halakha in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Eliezer, who says that someone who went two cubits outside of his Shabbat limit may reenter it, or is the halakha not in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Eliezer?

    2The Gemara answers: This is obvious that we are dealing with a case where the space between Neḥemya and the Shabbat limit could not be filled with people, as if it should enter your mind that we are dealing with a case where the space between Neḥemya and the Shabbat limit could be fully filled with people, what is Rav Ḥisda’s dilemma? Didn’t Rav say: The halakha is in accordance with the opinion of Rabban Gamliel with regard to a pen, a stable, and a boat? Rather, we must be dealing with a case where the space between Neḥemya and the Shabbat limit could not be filled with people, and the dilemma that he raised was about the ruling of Rabbi Eliezer.

    3The Gemara comments: This interpretation is also precise and implicit in Rav Naḥman’s answer, for Rav Naḥman said to Rav Ḥisda: Establish a human partition for him, and let him reenter his Shabbat limit. Doesn’t the statement: Let him reenter, mean that he may reenter even without a partition along those two additional two cubits, i.e., that after he passes through the human partitions, he would still need to cross the remaining two cubits on his own without the benefit of a partition?

    4Rav Naḥman bar Yitzḥak raised an objection to the opinion of Rava with regard to the principle of making a human partition on Shabbat, from a baraita : If the wall of a sukka fell on a Festival or on Shabbat, thus rendering the sukka unfit for the mitzva, one may not position people, animals or utensils there in its place in order to form a wall, nor may one turn a bed upright in order to spread a sheet over it, which will thereby serve as a partition, because one may not make a temporary tent for the first time on a Festival, and, needless to say, this is prohibited on Shabbat. This indicates that a human partition may not be erected on Shabbat.

    5Rava said to him: You state to me that this is prohibited from this baraita , but I can state to you that it is permitted from this other baraita : A person may position his fellow as a wall, so that he may eat, drink, and sleep in a sukka , and he is likewise permitted to turn a bed upright in order to spread a sheet over it, so that the sun should not beat down on a corpse, or on food.

    6The Gemara comments: If so, these two baraitot contradict one another. The Gemara answers: This is not difficult; this baraita that teaches that it is prohibited reflects the opinion of Rabbi Eliezer, whereas this other baraita that teaches that it is permitted reflects the opinion of the Rabbis. As we learned in a mishna: With regard to a window shutter that is not fixed to the wall with hinges, Rabbi Eliezer says: If it is tied to the wall and hangs from the window, one may shut the window with it; but if not, one may not shut the window with it, since one may not erect a tent, even a temporary one, on Shabbat. But the Rabbis say: In either case, one may shut the window with it. This indicates that the Rabbis permit constructing a temporary wall of this sort on Shabbat, and they also permit the construction of a temporary wall in the case of a sukka .

    7The Gemara raises a difficulty: But wasn’t it stated with regard to this dispute: Rabba bar bar Ḥana said that Rabbi Yoḥanan said: All agree that one may not make a temporary tent for the first time on a Festival, and, needless to say, this is prohibited on Shabbat. The Rabbis and Rabbi Eliezer disagree only with regard to adding a temporary tent to a permanent structure, as in the case of a window shutter. As Rabbi Eliezer says: One may not add a temporary tent to a permanent structure even on a Festival; and, needless to say, this is prohibited on Shabbat. And the Rabbis say: One may add a temporary tent to a permanent structure on Shabbat, and needless to say, this is permitted on a Festival. This indicates that there is no opinion that grants license to construct a temporary wall for the first time.

    8Rather, the Gemara resolves the contradiction differently: This is not difficult, as this baraita that permits the positioning of an animal or a person as a wall was taught in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Meir, and this baraita that prohibits it was taught in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yehuda. As it was taught in a baraita : With regard to one who positions an animal to serve as the wall of a sukka , Rabbi Meir deems it unfit, out of concern that the animal might leave, whereas Rabbi Yehuda deems it fit.

    9Rabbi Meir, who deems the wall unfit there, with regard to a sukka , apparently holds that a partition established from a living creature is not a partition and he would here, in the case of Shabbat, rule that it is permitted to construct such a wall, as he is not doing anything, since it is not considered actual construction.

    10However, Rabbi Yehuda, who deems the wall to be fit there, with regard to a sukka , apparently holds that it is a proper partition; and he would here, in the case of Shabbat, prohibit the construction of such a partition.

    11The Gemara raises a difficulty: And how can you understand it in that manner? Say that you heard that Rabbi Meir deemed the sukka to be unfit in the case where an animal was used to serve as a partition, but did you hear that he deemed the sukka to be similarly unfit if a person or utensils were used as walls? The reason that an animal may not be used as a partition, according to his opinion, is because it might leave. This concern does not apply to people or utensils, since a person is under his own control and can remain standing, and utensils do not move themselves. Since the baraita validates partitions established with people and utensils as well as animals, it cannot be based on the opinion of Rabbi Meir.

    12And furthermore, even if you do not differentiate as above, and instead assume that the consideration that the animal might leave is pertinent, according to whose opinion does Rabbi Meir state his opinion with regard to constructing a temporary tent on Shabbat? If it is according to the opinion of his teacher Rabbi Eliezer, this is difficult, as he even prohibited adding a window shutter, i.e., a temporary tent, to a permanent structure.

    13Rather, you must say that he stated his opinion in accordance with the opinion of the Rabbis. However, even according to their opinion, say that the Rabbis only said that one is permitted to add a temporary tent to a permanent structure; but did they say that it is permitted to construct a partition or a tent for the first time?

    14Rather, say that both this baraita and that baraita follow the opinion of the Rabbis, and this is the resolution of the various contradictions: With regard to the contradiction between the one ruling concerning utensils and the other ruling concerning utensils, this is not difficult, as this ruling that prohibits the construction of an additional wall refers to the third wall of a sukka , which renders it fit for the mitzva; whereas this other ruling that permits the construction of an additional wall refers to the fourth wall of a sukka , which is insignificant, as a sukka need not have four walls.

    15This interpretation is also precise in the wording of the baraita , as the baraita that prohibits the construction of an additional wall uses the following phrase: If its wall fell. This indicates a wall that is significant, i.e., a wall that renders it fit for use, rather than any wall, as stated in the baraita that permits it. The Gemara concludes: Learn from this that the correct resolution is to differentiate between the third and fourth wall of a sukka .

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    Or perhaps he [Rav Chisda] is asking whether the law is like Rabbi Eliezer, who said in our Mishna (ahead on 52b) that someone he went outside the Shabbos boundary 2 hand-breadths [or less], can go back inside [the boundary].

    Also it is precisely stated - that it is a case where there were not enough people [to form a complete enclosure extending all the way back to the Shabbos boundary]...

    Because he said to him - Rav Nachman [said] to make for him [Rav Nechamia] a wall of people, and [then] he will "enter". Why would he need to add the word "enter" [if the wall already extended his path inside the boundary]? Rather, what it means to say is: he [Rav Chisda] should make an enclosure (until) 2 hand-breadths [of the boundary], and then he [Rav Nechemia] would walk in on his own [passing through a 2 hand-breadth space outside the boundary] with no enclosure.

    It's wall fell -- of a Sukkah

    And he should not stand up a bed frame - That he has in the Sukkah [to stand] in place of the gap [in the wall]. And even though it does not look like a [prohibited] act of building [on Yom Tov] -- because it appear as if he is [simply] intending to clear out space in the Sukkah -- even so, it is prohibited. And this presents a difficulty to [Rav Nachman's instruction] which allows making a wall of people on Shabbos.

    In order that he can eat, drink and sleep - The main Mitzva of Sukkah is [performed through] these 3 things.

    And he can stand up a bed frame - Therefore we see that it is permitted [to set up something to create a wall on Shabbos]. And the Gemara is going to investigate the contradiction between these two Baraitot.

    And if [it is] not [attached and hanging on the building], one may not use it to shutter [the window], because it is similar [to the prohibited act of] building -- since he is increasing the enclosure of the room. And even though it is only temporary -- because he will go back and open it up again.

    But has it not been stated - that even the Rabbis only permitted to add [to an existing structure], for example, by shuttering a window, which is merely adding. But the Baraisa permits to make a wall from scratch.

    Rabbi Meir invalidates - it is explained in Tractate Sukkah -- lest the animal runs away [which is Rabbi Meir's reason for invalidating using an animal as a Sukkah wall].

    Because he did not do anything - since [the wall] does not complete a Sukkah -- even though it is making a enclosure [Ohel] -- it is permitted. He [Rabbi Meir] is holding that we do make temporary enclosures [on Shabbat] -- since he is not completing a Sukkah it is only a temporary enclosure -- and is permitted.

    But still, there is a lot to ask on [this explanation], because the the Baraisa is stating "in order that he can eat, drink, and sleep". We see from this that indeed this wall is coming to complete the Sukkah. The Gemara will continue to question this explanation until it is [eventually] removed from the [final] explanation.

    Say that you hear from Rabbi Meir - that he invalidates

    An animal - because [of the reason] lest it will run away

    A person - who has the awareness to stand [in place], or utensils, which do not move from their place -- have you heard him teach that? And this Tanna [in the second Baraisa] is stating that a person and utensils [are allowed, even though they may also be valid Sukkah walls], saying: one makes his friend into a wall, and stands up the bed frame.

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    עירובין 44 עמוד א

    1או אין הלכה כר"ג או דילמא, בדלא מלו גברי עסקינן, וקא מבעיא ליה: הלכה כרבי אליעזר, או אין הלכה כר"א׃

    2פשיטא בדלא מלו גברי עסקינן, דאי סלקא דעתך בדמלו גברי עסקינן, מאי תיבעי ליה? האמר רב: הלכה כר"ג בדיר וסהר וספינה! אלא ודאי בדלא מלו גברי עסקינן, ודר' אליעזר קמיבעיא ליה.

    3דיקא נמי, דקאמר ליה ״יכנס״. מאי ״יכנס״ לאו בלא מחיצה?!

    4איתיביה ר"נ בר יצחק לרבא: נפל דופנה לא יעמיד בה אדם בהמה וכלים. ולא יזקוף את המטה לפרוס עליה סדין, לפי שאין עושין אהל עראי בתחילה ביו"ט ואין צריך לומר בשבת.

    5א"ל את אמרת לי מהא, ואנא אמינא לך מהא: עושה אדם את חבירו דופן כדי שיאכל וישתה וישן. ויזקוף את המטה ויפרוס עליה סדין כדי שלא תפול חמה על המת ועל האוכלין.

    6קשיין אהדדי! ל"ק הא ר"א הא רבנן, דתנן: פקק החלון, ר"א אומר: בזמן שקשור ותלוי פוקקין בו, ואם לאו אין פוקקין בו. וחכ"א בין כך ובין כך פוקקין בו.

    7והא: איתמר עלה, אמר רבה בר בר חנה א"ר יוחנן: הכל מודים שאין עושין אהל עראי בתחילה ביום טוב, וא"צ לומר בשבת. לא נחלקו אלא להוסיף, שר' אליעזר אומר: אין מוסיפין ביום טוב, ואין צריך לומר בשבת. וחכמים אומרים: מוסיפין בשבת, ואין צריך לומר ביום טוב!

    8אלא ל"ק הא כרבי מאיר, הא כרבי יהודה. דתניא: עשאה לבהמה דופן לסוכה, רבי מאיר פוסל, ור' יהודה מכשיר.

    9רבי מאיר דקא פסיל התם אלמא לא מחיצה היא, הכא שרי, דלאו מידי קא עביד.

    10ורבי יהודה דקא מכשיר התם אלמא מחיצה היא, הכא אסר.

    11ותיסברא? אימר דשמעת ליה לרבי מאיר בהמה. אדם וכלים מי שמעת ליה?

    12ותו רבי מאיר אליבא דמאן? אי אליבא דרבי אליעזר להוסיף נמי אסר.

    13אלא אליבא דרבנן, אימר דאמרי רבנן להוסיף, לכתחילה מי אמור?

    14אלא: הא והא רבנן. וכלים אכלים ל"ק הא בדופן שלישית, הא בדופן רביעית.

    15דיקא נמי, דקתני: נפל דופנה. שמע מינה.

    Tosafot

    Or perhaps it is a case where there are enough [people] (this Tosafos is following a version of the text where the 2 alternative questions were said in the opposite order) -- since even if the Halakha is not like Rabbi Eliezer, [perhaps there is a permissible way that] he can go [back] in [when there are enough people to make a wall all the way back inside the Shabbos boundary -- thereby not requiring that the Halakha be like Rabbi Eliezer]. And if you will say that the Rabbanim, [arguing on Rabbi Eliezer] who say that he cannot go back in, even if he is only 1 handbreadth outside the Shabbos boundary, [and] even though the 4 handbreadths of his personal boundary overlap inside his original Shabbos boundary, [that they would say] here too: even if a wall of people could extend [from where Rav Nechemiah is standing] to inside the boundary, he cannot return -- [we can resolve that difficulty] by saying that it is not similar [to the dispute between Rabbi Eliezer and the Rabbanim], because here, when the wall of people disperses, and he has already gone out of the 4 handbreadths the sages gave him [when he went outside the original Shabbos boundary] -- now it would be necessary to give him another 4 handbreadths boundary. But since he is now back in his original Shabbos boundary, he is not given another 4 handbreadths, rather he returns to his original Shabbos boundary [of 2,000 handbreadths]. But in case where he does not lose his [new boundary of] 4 handbreadths by walking back in [to the original Shabbos boundary] -- he cannot return [to the original boundary].

    Because if he [Rav Nachman] was speaking of a case where there were not enough people, what question could you have? -- And even though Rabbi Meir invalidates an animal for [use] as a wall for the Sukkah [as the Gemara brings in the] upcoming [section], it was obvious to Rava that the Halakha follows Rabbi Yehuda's opinion [who permits using an animal] (and, a fortiori, Rabbi Yehuda permits using people as well). (Therefore Rava does not consider the possibility that Rav Chisda was asking about the Halakhic validity of using people to create an enclosure). But we cannot explain [the basis Rava's rationale] that, regarding [using] people [for a wall], even Rabbi Meir agrees that [the basis for prohibiting an animal is due to] its propensity to run away does not apply to people [when used as a wall]. Because [in the final analysis] this [reason of propensity to run away], was not Rabbi Meir's reason [for prohibiting an animal], as the Gemara concludes in the chapter "The One Who Sleeps" (Sukkah 23a). And [although] the Gemara investigates in the upcoming section by questioning whether we learned that Rabbi Meir explicitly prohibits using people and implements [to create a valid Sukkah wall], this [question is posed from the point of view] of the one [Amora] who explains in the Gemara Sukkah, that the reason for Rabbi Meir's prohibition is [solely due to the fact that] we are concerned that perhaps the animal will run away.

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