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    Makkot 7b

    Chapter 2 - Ellu Hen HaGolin

    גם: מכות דף ז׳ ע״ב, פרק ב׳ אלו הן הגולין

    English translation - Makkot 7b

    Translation: William Davidson Edition - English. Read alongside the Aramaic below; numbers match the passages of the daf.

    1or if one was climbing a ladder and he fell upon a person and killed him, that unintentional murderer is not exiled. This is the principle: Any murderer who kills unintentionally through his downward motion is exiled, and one who kills not through his downward motion is not exiled.

    2GEMARA: The Gemara asks with regard to the principle that one is exiled only if he killed unintentionally through a downward motion: From where are these matters derived? It is derived from a verse, as Shmuel says that the verse states with regard to those exiled to a city of refuge: “And he cast it down upon him and dies” (Numbers 35:23), indicating that one is not liable to be exiled unless the item falls in a downward motion.

    3The Sages taught in a baraita derivations from verses written with regard to the unintentional murderer: “Unintentionally” (Numbers 35:11); to exclude from exile the one who kills intentionally. “Unawares” (Deuteronomy 19:4); to exclude from exile the one who kills with intent.

    4The Gemara asks: Why is a derivation necessary to exclude one who kills intentionally? It is obvious that he is not exiled; he is subject to the death penalty. Rather, Rava said: Say that the type of intentional killer referred to is meant to exclude the one who says that it is permitted to kill the victim. The verse teaches that this person is neither executed nor is he exiled. Abaye said to Rava: If the reference is to one who says that it is permitted, he is a victim of circumstances beyond his control, as he did not know any better. How could that be characterized as intentional? Rava said to him: That is not a problem, as I say that with regard to one who says that it is permitted, his action borders on the intentional.

    5The baraita states: “Unawares”; to exclude from exile the one who kills with intent. The Gemara asks: With intent? It is obvious that he is not exiled; he is subject to the death penalty. Rabba said: The reference is to exclude the one who acted with the intent to kill an animal and he killed a person inadvertently, or one who acted with the intent to kill a gentile and he killed a Jew, or one who acted with the intent to kill a non-viable newborn and he killed a viable newborn.

    6The Sages taught in a baraita based on the verse written with regard to an unintentional murderer: “And if suddenly, without enmity, he thrust him or cast upon him any vessel without lying in wait” (Numbers 35:22). “If suddenly”; this serves to exclude one who unintentionally kills another that he encounters at a corner. “Without enmity”; this serves to exclude one who unintentionally kills his enemy, as even if the act appears unintentional, the presumption is that it was not. “He thrust him”; this indicates that even if he unintentionally shoved him with his body and killed him, he is liable to be exiled. “Or cast upon him”; this serves to include the case of a downward motion that is for the purpose of an upward motion, e.g., if one bent down in order to lift an item from the ground, and in the process of bending down he killed another unintentionally, he is exiled. “Without lying in wait”; this serves to exclude one who had the intent to throw a stone to this side and it went to a different side and killed a person.

    7And it is written with regard to an unintentional murderer: “And who did not lie in wait” (Exodus 21:13); this serves to exclude one who had intent to throw a stone two cubits and he inadvertently threw it four cubits and killed a person. And it is written concerning an unintentional murderer: “And as one who goes with his neighbor into the forest” (Deuteronomy 19:5), from which it is derived: Just as a forest is ownerless property, and there is permission for the victim and for the assailant to enter there, so too, unintentional murder that occurs in any place where there is permission for the victim and for the assailant to enter there, is punishable with exile. The unintentional murder of one who entered the assailant’s property without his permission is not cause for the murderer to be exiled.

    8§ The Gemara cites a related discussion. Rabbi Abbahu raised a dilemma before Rabbi Yoḥanan: If one was ascending a ladder and the rung was displaced from beneath him, and the rung fell and killed another, what is the halakha with regard to his being exiled? In a case like this, is it considered killing in an upward motion, as he was climbing the ladder, and therefore he is exempt, or is it considered killing in a downward motion, as when he stepped on the rung he pushed it down, and therefore he is liable? Rabbi Yoḥanan said to him: In the scenario you described, you already touched upon the case in the baraita cited above, the case of unintentional murder that is performed with a downward motion that is for the purpose of an upward motion. The ruling in the baraita is that one is liable to be exiled in that case.

    9Rabbi Abbahu raised an objection to the explanation of Rabbi Yoḥanan from the mishna, which states: This is the principle: Any murderer who kills unintentionally through his downward motion is exiled, and one who kills not through his downward motion is not exiled. Rabbi Abbahu clarifies: With regard to the phrase in the mishna: One who kills not through his downward motion, what case that was not already specified does this serve to add? Is it not to add a case like this, and to teach that even though the death was caused by the falling rung, since the assailant was ascending the ladder at the time, he is not exiled? Rabbi Yoḥanan replied: And according to your reasoning that this apparently extraneous phrase serves to include a case that is not addressed explicitly, with regard to the previous phrase in the mishna: Any murderer who kills unintentionally through his downward motion, what case that was not already specified does this serve to add?

    10Rather, one may say that it serves to add the case of a butcher. Here too, in the latter clause, the phrase: One who kills not through his downward motion, serves to add the case of a butcher, as it is taught in a baraita : With regard to a butcher who was chopping animal limbs with a cleaver, one Sage taught that if he killed a person in front of him, he is liable to be exiled; if he killed a person behind him, he is exempt. And it is taught in another baraita : If he killed a person behind him, he is liable; if he killed a person in front of him, he is exempt. And it is taught in another baraita : Both if he killed a person in front of him and if he killed a person behind him, he is liable. And it is taught in another baraita : Both if he killed a person in front of him and if he killed a person behind him, he is exempt. And although these baraitot appear contradictory, the apparent contradiction is not difficult.

    11When a butcher is about to cut the meat of an animal, he raises the cleaver and lowers it behind him in order to create momentum that will generate power. Then he raises the cleaver from behind him and brings it down forcefully onto the meat. In that process, the butcher lowers the cleaver in front of him and behind him and raises the cleaver both in front of him and behind him. Each of the four baraitot addresses a different stage of the process. Here, the baraita that says he is liable if he unintentionally murders a person in front of him and exempt if he unintentionally murders a person behind him, is referring to a case where the butcher swings the cleaver with a downward motion in front of him and an upward motion behind him. There, the baraita that says he is exempt if he unintentionally murders a person in front of him and liable if he unintentionally murders a person behind him, is referring to a case where the butcher swings the cleaver with an upward motion in front of him and a downward motion behind him.

    12In addition, here, the baraita where he is liable in both instances, is referring to a case where the butcher swings the cleaver with a downward motion both in front of him and behind him. There, the baraita where he is exempt in both instances, is referring to a case where the butcher swings the cleaver with an upward motion both in front of him and behind him. The two phrases that constitute the principle in the mishna teach that the determining factor is whether the motion is upward or downward, not whether it is in front of him or behind him. This is Rabbi Yoḥanan’s reply to the objection of Rabbi Abbahu.

    13The Gemara suggests: Let us say that Rabbi Abbahu’s dilemma with regard to unintentional murder committed by one climbing a ladder is the subject of a dispute between tanna’im : If one was ascending a ladder and its rung was displaced from beneath him, it is taught in one baraita that he is liable, and it is taught in another baraita that he is exempt. What, is it not that the tanna’im disagree with regard to this, as one Sage holds: It is unintentional murder in a downward motion, and therefore he is liable, and one Sage holds: It is unintentional murder in an upward motion, and therefore he is exempt?

    14The Gemara rejects that parallel: No, that is not the point of contention, as everyone agrees that it is an upward motion, and there is no dispute between the Sages in the baraitot . Nevertheless, the apparent contradiction between them is not difficult, as here, in the baraita that rules him liable, the reference is to payment of damages, as with regard to one’s liability to pay damages, there is no difference between upward and downward motions, or between intentional and unwitting damage; and there, in the baraita that rules him exempt, the reference is to exile, from which one who murders unintentionally in an upward motion is exempt by Torah edict.

    15If you wish, say instead that in both this baraita and that baraita the reference is to exile, and it is not difficult, as this baraita , where the ruling is that he is liable, is referring to a case where the rung of the ladder was worm infested and he should have been cautious before stepping on it, and that baraita , where the ruling is that he is exempt, is referring to a case where the rung was not worm infested, as in that case it is murder due to circumstances beyond his control, as he could not have anticipated that the rung would be displaced.

    16And if you wish, say that in both this baraita and that baraita the reference is to a rung that was not worm infested, and it is not difficult, as this baraita , where the ruling is that he is exempt, is referring to a case where the rung was tightly inserted into the ladder, and therefore he could not have foreseen that it would be displaced, and that baraita , where the ruling is that he is liable, is referring to a case where the rung was not tightly inserted and he should have anticipated its displacement.

    17MISHNA: If the blade of an ax or hatchet was displaced from its handle, and it flew through the air and killed a person, Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi says: He is not exiled, and the Rabbis say: He is exiled. If part of a tree that is being split flew through the air and killed a person, Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi says: The murderer is exiled, and the Rabbis say: He is not exiled.

    18GEMARA: It is taught in a baraita that Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi said to the Rabbis: Is it stated in the verse: And the blade displaces from its wood handle? But isn’t it stated: “And the blade displaces from the wood” (Deuteronomy 19:5), indicating that it is a wood chip from the tree that causes the death of the person? And furthermore: Etz is stated below: “And the blade displaces from the etz ,” and etz is stated above, earlier in the same verse: “And his hand wields the ax to cut down the etz .” Just as the term etz stated above is referring to wood from the tree that is being split, so too, the term etz stated below is referring to wood from the tree that is being split, not to the wood of the ax handle.

    19Rav Ḥiyya bar Ashi says that Rav says: And both of them, Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi and the Rabbis, interpreted one verse to arrive at their rulings. The verse states: “And the blade displaces [ venashal ] from the wood.” Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi holds: The tradition of the manner in which the verses in the Torah are written is authoritative, and one derives halakhot based on the manner in which the words are written, not on the manner in which they are vocalized. And it is written venishel , a transitive verb, indicating that the blade displaced wood chips from the tree. And the Rabbis maintain: The vocalization of the Torah is authoritative, and we read the term as venashal , an intransitive verb indicating that the blade is displaced from its wooden handle and kills a person.

    20The Gemara asks: And does Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi hold that the tradition of the manner in which the verses in the Torah are written is authoritative?

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    GEMARA - Rava Said - This is the correct version. The [word] "אלא" is removed.

    He did it accidentally - And how to you call it willful?

    “If He Came Upon Him Suddenly” This Excludes A [case when someone turns quickly] Around A Corner - The term "suddenly" implies proximity, as the Targum translates it "B'takif" - this excludes a [case when someone turns quickly] around a corner, i.e. if one was exiting from an alley and entering another by turning to the right or to the left, and [he is holding] a knife in his hand, and someone is approaching him from around the corner who he does not see and [therefore] kills.

    That he pushed him with his body - without intent.

    This includes downward motion that is for a need of upward motion - E.g. one who wants to lift his hand with force while holding an ax, first lowers his body and leans forward so that he [subsequently] be able to lift with strength; and he killed someone while lowering himself. You should not say that since [the downward motion with which he killed] was needed for an upward motion he should be exempt from exile, for [the verse] states "and he cast it [upon him"].

    And if one does not lie in wait - He did not intend to throw next to or near him, rather [his intended target was] the location to which he [actually] threw, but he was unaware that there was someone there.

    Excludes One Who Intended To Throw Two And Threw Four - And similarly one who [intended to] throw four and threw eight.

    So too all [cases] that have permission for the victim etc. - This excludes a privately owned courtyard.

    IS THIS [A SITUATION OF] ASCENT OR DESCENT - Do we determine [the law] based on [the direction of] the individual, and he was engaged in an upward motion; or do we determine [the law] based on [the direction of] the rung, and the person ascending upon it was applying pressure as he pushed it downwards?

    You've Already Touched Upon it etc - - You are touching upon [the concept] of "descending for the purpose of ascending," which we have already inclusively derived above as [a case where one would be] liable [to a sentence of exile].

    This is the correct version - Here is when the [knife is] descending in front of him and ascending behind him. Here is when the upward motion is in front of him but the downward motion is behind him. Here is when the downward motion is both in front of him and behind him. And here is when the upward motion is both in front of him and behind him. Any [incident resulting from an] upward motion is exempt and any [incident resulting from a] downward motion is liable. Therefore, that which was taught "before him, he is liable, behind him is exempt" is referring to [a scenario where] the downward motion was in from of him and the downward motion was behind him, viz. he lowered his arm in order to [then] lift it with force. [So now] when he lifts it with force [if he kills] when lowering in front of him he is liable, [but] if he killed when lifting it behind him he would be exempt. And that which was taught "behind him, he is liable, in front of him, he is exempt" is referring to [a scenario where] the upward motion was in front of him and the downward motion was behind him, e.g. one who lifts his hand with force to the point where it [the ax] was lowered behind him over his shoulders, and then reverses [the motion] to lift [his hands[ to strike in front of him. [So now] if he kills when he was lowering it behind him he is liable, [but if] he killed when he was lifting it [back] he is exempt]. And that which was taught "whether in front of him and behind him, he is liable" is referring to the downward motion, whether it was before him or behind him. And that which was taught "Whether it was in front of him or behind him, he is exempt" is referring to the upward motion, whether it was before or behind him.

    Let us say that it is subject to a tannaic dispute - this question of Rebbi Abahu.

    Here [one is talking about the issue of] Damages - where he would be obligated to pay the compensation if he did not kill him but only caused him damage. For when it comes to damages there is no difference whether it was caused inadvertently or intentionally, or whether it was done with a downward or upward motion, as we expound in Bava Kamma (26b) [when the verse says] "A laceration for a laceration" [this comes to teach us] that one is obligated for inadvertent damages as [he would be] for intentional damages, and for damages caused beyond his control as [he would be] if they we done willfully.

    Here Is When (the rung) Is Rotten - he would be liable [to go to exile] since every rotten rung when it is tread upon it buckles downward, thus constituting a downward motion. But if it is not rotten there is no downward motion.

    Here [It] Is [Scenario] When The Rung Has Been Fastened - If the rung completely filled the hole into which it was wedged, and it grasps it very well, then there is no downward motion, and he would thus be exempt [from exile]. If [however] it is not [securely] fastened, then there would be a downward motion, resulting in liability [i.e. exile].

    The Transmission Is What Matters - how the word is to be written as it was transmitted to Moses, that is the manner in which we are to expound it, and not the way it pronounced. When you read "V'nashal" you are inserting the pronunciation of a "Aleph" or of a "Hey" between the "Nun" and "Shin", however according to the authoritative tradition it is written as "V'nishal," meaning dislodged, i.e. that the iron caused [a splinter] to become dislodged from the wood [tree] which hit his fellow. Whereas the Rabanan are of the opinion that it the way it pronounced which matters, and it is read "V'nashal" as a verb, i.e. the iron [ax head] itself became dislodged from its wood [handle].

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    מכות ז עמוד ב

    1היה עולה בסולם ונפל עליו והרגו הרי זה אינו גולה. זה הכלל: כל שבדרך ירידתו גולה, ושלא בדרך ירידתו אינו גולה.

    Gemara

    2מנא ה"מ אמר שמואל דאמר קרא ״(במדבר לה כג) ויפל עליו וימות עד שיפול דרך נפילה״׃

    Baraita

    3תנו רבנן (במדבר לה, יא) בשגגה פרט למזיד (דברים יט, ד) בבלי דעת פרט למתכוין׃

    4מזיד פשיטא בר קטלא הוא (אלא) אמר רבא אימא פרט לאומר מותר א"ל אביי אי אומר מותר אנוס הוא אמר ליה? שאני אומר האומר מותר קרוב למזיד הוא׃

    5(דברים יט, ד) בבלי דעת פרט למתכוין מתכוין פשיטא בר קטלא הוא אמר רבה פרט למתכוין להרוג את הבהמה והרג את האדם לכותי והרג את ישראל לנפל והרג בן קיימא׃

    Baraita

    6ת"ר (במדבר לה, כב) אם בפתע פרט לקרן זוית בלא איבה פרט לשונא הדפו שדחפו בגופו או השליך עליו להביא ירידה שהיא צורך עליה בלא צדיה פרט למתכוין לצד זה והלכה לה לצד אחר׃

    7(שמות כא, יג) ואשר לא צדה פרט למתכוין לזרוק שתים וזרק ארבע (דברים יט, ה) ואשר יבא את רעהו ביער מה יער רשות לניזק ולמזיק ליכנס לשם אף כל רשות לניזק ולמזיק ליכנס לשם׃

    8בעא מיניה רבי אבהו מרבי יוחנן היה עולה בסולם ונשמט השליבה מתחתיו ונפלה והרגה מהו כי האי גוונא עליה היא או ירידה היא א"ל כבר נגעת בירידה שהיא צורך עליה׃

    9איתיביה זה הכלל כל שבדרך ירידתו גולה שלא בדרך ירידתו אינו גולה שלא בדרך ירידתו לאיתויי מאי לאו לאיתויי כה"ג וליטעמיך כל שבדרך ירידתו לאיתויי מאי׃

    10אלא לאיתויי קצב הכא נמי לאיתויי קצב דתניא קצב שהיה מקצב תנא חדא לפניו חייב לאחריו פטור ותניא אידך לאחריו חייב לפניו פטור ותניא אידך בין לפניו בין לאחריו חייב ותניא אידך בין לפניו בין לאחריו פטור ולא קשיא׃

    11כאן בירידה שלפניו ועליה שלאחריו כאן בעליה שלפניו וירידה שלאחריו׃

    12כאן בירידה שלפניו ושל אחריו כאן בעליה שלפניו ושל אחריו.

    13לימא כתנאי היה עולה בסולם ונשמטה שליבה מתחתיו תני חדא חייב ותניא אידך פטור מאי לאו בהא קא מיפלגי דמר סבר ירידה היא ומר סבר עליה היא׃

    14לא דכ"ע עליה היא ולא קשיא כאן לניזקין כאן לגלות׃

    15איבעית אימא הא והא לגלות ולא קשיא הא דאתליע הא דלא אתליע׃

    16ואיבעית אימא הא והא דלא אתליע ולא קשיא הא דמיהדק והא דלא מיהדק:

    Mishna

    17נשמט הברזל מקתו והרג רבי אומר אינו גולה וחכמים אומרים גולה מן העץ המתבקע רבי אומר גולה וחכמים אומרים אינו גולה:

    Gemara

    18תניא אמר להם רבי לחכמים וכי נאמר (דברים יט, ה) ונשל הברזל מעצו והלא לא נאמר אלא מן העץ ועוד נאמר עץ למטה ונאמר עץ למעלה מה עץ האמור למעלה מן העץ המתבקע אף עץ האמור למטה מן העץ המתבקע׃

    19אמר רב חייא בר אשי אמר רב ושניהם מקרא אחד דרשו ונשל הברזל מן העץ רבי סבר יש אם למסורת ונישל כתיב ״ורבנן סברי יש אם למקרא ונשל קרינן״׃

    20ורבי יש אם למסורת סבירא ליה׃

    Tosafot

    פשיטא בר קטלא הוא - תימה אימא במזיד ולא התרו בו וי"ל דהא נמי נפקא לן מבלי דעת דאיכא מבלי דעת יתירא עוד י"ל דהא נמי פשיטא דלא יגלה דעל כרחך קרא בלא מתכוין איירי מדכתיב והוא לא שונא:

    אלא פרט לאומר מותר - וקשה דגבי חלב וגבי שבת דכתיב בשניהם שגגה וחייבין פרק כלל גדול (שבת דף סח: ושם) בתינוק שנשבה לבין הנכרים וי"ל דשאני הכא דכתיב שגגה יתירא למעוטי אומר מותר.:

    ואשר לא צדה פרט למתכוין לזרוק בכיצד הרגל (ב"ק דף - כו: ושם) פירש רש"י ממעט ליה ממיתה אבל גלות אית ביה ולא נראה דא"כ לא הוי כמו אידך לכן נראה לפרש דפטור (ממיתה) מגלות. כדאמרינן פרק כיצד הרגל (שם ד"ה פרט):

    בלא איבה פרט לשונא - תימה אמאי איצטריך האי קרא תיפוק ליה דכתיב במשנה תורה והוא לא שונא וצ"ע ושמא י"ל דבמשנה תורה נחזרת ונשנית בשביל דבר שנתחדש מיער והרבה פרשיות יש בענין זה במשנה תורה אבל לא קשה מולא אויב לו דבאלה מסעי דההוא איצטריך למימר אפילו לא אויב לו [לעדים ולדיינים] כדאמרי' בסנהדרין (דף כט.). (במשנה תורה כתיב נמי כי לא שונא הוא לו משום פרשה שנשנית) כך נראה למשי"ח:

    מה יער שיש לו רשות לניזק ולמזיק ליכנס לשם וכו' - וקשה דמסתמא כמו כן נימא מה יער מקום שעומד שם המזיק ויש רשות לניזק להיות לשם וא"כ קשה דתנן הזורק אבן לרשות הרבים הרי הוא גולה ומוקי לה בסותר כתלו שהוא ברשותו והרג הניזק שהוא ברשות הרבים ואמאי גולה והא בעינן מקום שיהא רשות לניזק ולמזיק ושיהא הניזק במקום שהמזיק עומד בו וי"ל דלא יליף מיניה מקום ההכאה אלא שיש רשות לשניהם לעכב במקום ההכאה:

    נשמטה השליבה - והרגתו השליבה אבל אם הרגו אדם פטור דבעינן דרך ירידה:

    ואי בעית אימא הא דאיתלע והא דלא איתלע - ולפי האי איבעית אימא כולי עלמא סברי ירידה היא וקשה א"כ אמאי לא קאמר דכולי עלמא ירידה היא הא דאתלע והא דלא אתלע ועוד קשה כי קאמר מעיקרא דכ"ע עליה היא א"כ קשה ברייתא זו לברייתא דלעיל או השליך עליו להביא ירידה שהיא צורך עליה ונראה לפרש דה"ק דכ"ע דעליה הוי ומיירי במוהדק ובדלא אתלע ולא מיירי בירידה שהיא צורך לעליה דבהא לא פליגי ברייתות והכא הכי קאמר איבעית אימא הא והא לגלות ומיירי הברייתא שמחייבה בירידה שהיא צורך לעליה:

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    פ"ב ואלו הן הגולין ההורג נפש בשגגה כו' עד זה הכלל כל שכדרך ירידתו גולה שלא כדרך ירידתו אינו גולה.

    מנא הני מילי - אמר שמואל דאמר קרא ויפל עליו וימות עד שיפיל עליו דרך נפילה:

    ת"ר בשגגה פרט למזיד - כלומר אינו גולה. אוקמה רבא דהאי מזיד שאינו גולה באומר מותר שהאומר מותר קרוב למזיד הוא ולא מיכפר ליה בגלות.

    אבל המזיד בר קטלא הוא.

    בבלי דעת אוקמה רבא פרט למתכוין להרוג בהמה והרג אדם לכותי והרג ישראל לנפלים והרג בן קיימא שאינו גולה:

    ת"ר אם בפתע פרט לקרן זוית דהוה ליה לעיוני - בלא איבה פרט לשונא. כלומר הני לא סגי להו בגלות. הדפו שדחפו בגופו. או השליך עליו להביא ירידה שהיא צורך עלייה. בלא צדיה פרט למתכוין לצד זה והלכה לה לצד אחר.

    ואשר לא צדה פרט למתכוין לזרוק ב' אמות וזרק ד' אמות והיה שם אדם והכהו דלא מיכפר להו בגלות ואשר יבא את רעהו ביער מה יער רשות לניזק ולמזיק ליכנס שם אף כל שיש רשות לניזק ולמזיק ליכנס שם דינו הכי. בעא ר' אבהו מר' יוחנן היה עולה בסולם ונשמטה שליבה מתחתיו ונפלה והרגה מהו. ופשט ליה דהיא ירידה צורך עלייה. ומותיב ליה הא דתנן כל שלא כדרך ירידתו אינו גולה מאי לאו כי האי גוונא. ופריק ליה לא לעולם כי האי גוונא גולה ומתניתין כעין קצב שהיה מקצב דתנו ביה ד' בבי.

    תני חדא לפניו חייב לאחריו פטור כו' ופרקינן לא קשיא - פי' דרך המקצב להעלות הקופיץ מלפניו ולהורידו לאחריו ואח"כ מחזירו ומעלהו מאחריו ומורידו לפניו ומכה בבהמה הא דתני לפניו חייב לאחריו פטור דרך ירידה לפניו חייב. פי' בעת שמחזיר הקופיץ מאחוריו להכות על הבהמה כדי לנתחה שזו היא ירידה ממש ובירידה שלאחריו בהחזרת הקופיץ שהיא כעין עלייה פטור. והא דתניא לאחריו חייב לפניו פטור הוא בהגבהת הקופיץ מלפניו עד שיחזירו לאחריו פטור שהוא דרך עלייה לאחריו חייב שהוא דרך ירידה (ופירשנוהו) [ופירשוהו] בתלמוד ארץ ישראל. א"ר ינאי טבח שהיה מקצב והכה בין מלמעלה בין מלמטה גולה ואתיא כדמר בר רב הונא טבח שהיה מקצב והכה לפניו למטה גולה. למעלה אינו גולה. לאחריו למעלה גולה. למטה אינו גולה. והא דתני' בין לפניו בין לאחריו חייב בירידה שלפניו ושל אחריו. והא דתניא בין לפניו בין לאחריו פטור בעלייה שלפניו ושל אחריו כאשר כבר פירשנו. והא דבעי רבי אבהו מר' יוחנן היה עולה בסולם ושמטה שליבה מתחתיו והרגה תני חדא חייב. ואוקימ' לנזיקין ואע"ג דעלייה היא לענין ניזקא חייב.

    ותני חדא פטור מגלות.

    איבעית אימא הא והא לגלות והא דקתני חייב כגון דאתלע דכיון דאתלע ולא חזי לעלייה מעיקרא ירידה היא. איבעית אימא דלא אתלע כלל והאי דקתני חייב כגון דלא מיהדק כיון דלא מיהדק לא חזי למיסק ביה ומעיקרא ירידה היא:

    נשמט הברזל מקתו - קודם שיכה על העץ לבקעו והרג רבי אומר אינו גולה דהאי קרוב למזיד הוא שאילו לא היה רפוי לא היה נשמט. ואמרינן מאי טעמא קסבר יש אם למסורת ונשל כתיב כלומר ונשל הברזל [מן העץ]. מן העץ המתבקע רבי אומר גולה וחכ"א אינו גולה. כגון שנתזה בקעת מן העץ והלכה והרגה. או נשמט הברזל.

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    Makkot 7b

    Makkot 7b. The full printed text of this folio side - 20 numbered segments, about 454 words - with the classic commentaries printed on the page.

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