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    Taanit 30b

    Chapter 4 - BiShloshah Perakim

    גם: תענית דף ל׳ ע״ב, פרק ד׳ בשלשה פרקים

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    Translation: William Davidson Edition - English. Read alongside the Aramaic below; numbers match the passages of the daf.

    1between the oven and the stove, which was considered the least respectable place in the house. And he would eat his bread, and drink a jug [ kiton ] of water with it, and in doing so he would resemble one whose deceased relative is laid out unburied before him.

    2§ We learned in a mishna there: In a place where people were accustomed to perform labor on the Ninth of Av, one performs labor. In a place where people were accustomed not to perform labor, one does not perform labor. And in all places, Torah scholars are idle and do not perform labor on the Ninth of Av. Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel says: With regard to the Ninth of Av, a person should always conduct himself as a Torah scholar and refrain from performing labor. This is also taught in a baraita : Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel says: A person should always conduct himself as a Torah scholar, so that he will feel the hardship of the fast.

    3It is taught in another baraita that Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel says: Whoever eats and drinks on the Ninth of Av, although the prohibition was instituted by the Prophets, it is as though he eats and drinks on Yom Kippur. Rabbi Akiva says: Whoever performs labor on the Ninth of Av never sees a sign of a blessing from that work.

    4And the Sages say: Whoever performs labor on the Ninth of Av and does not mourn for Jerusalem will not see her future joy, as it is stated: “Rejoice with Jerusalem and be glad with her, all who love her; rejoice for joy with her, all who mourn for her” (Isaiah 66:10). From here it is stated: Whoever mourns for Jerusalem will merit and see her future joy, and whoever does not mourn for Jerusalem will not see her future joy. This is also taught in a baraita : Whoever eats meat or drinks wine in the meal before the Ninth of Av, about him the verse states: “And whose iniquities are upon their bones, because the terror of the mighty was in the land of the living” (Ezekiel 32:27).

    5§ The mishna taught: Rabbi Yehuda obligates one to overturn the bed, but the Rabbis did not agree with him. It is taught in a baraita that the Rabbis said to Rabbi Yehuda: According to your statement, pregnant women and nursing women, who cannot sleep on the floor, what will become of them? Rabbi Yehuda said to them: I, too, spoke only with regard to those who are able.

    6This is also taught in another baraita : Rabbi Yehuda concedes to the Rabbis with regard to one who is unable to sleep on the floor, and the Rabbis concede to Rabbi Yehuda with regard to one who is able to do so. The Gemara asks: If so, what is the practical difference between them? The Gemara explains: The practical difference between them is the status of other beds.

    7As it is taught in a baraita : When the Rabbis said that a mourner is required to overturn the bed, they meant that he overturns not only his own bed, but also that he must overturn all the beds in the house. Rabbi Yehuda maintains that one must likewise overturn all of the beds of one’s house on the Ninth of Av. Rava said: The halakha is in accordance with the opinion of the tanna of our mishna, and the Rabbis did not concede to Rabbi Yehuda at all, even with regard to one who is able. Therefore, there is no requirement to overturn one’s bed on the Ninth of Av.

    8§ The mishna taught that Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel said: There were no days as happy for the Jewish people as the fifteenth of Av and as Yom Kippur. The Gemara asks: Granted, Yom Kippur is a day of joy because it has the elements of pardon and forgiveness, and moreover, it is the day on which the last pair of tablets were given.

    9However, what is the special joy of the fifteenth of Av? Rav Yehuda said that Shmuel said: This was the day on which the members of different tribes were permitted to enter one another’s tribe, by intermarriage. It was initially prohibited to intermarry between tribes, so as to keep each plot of land within the portion of the tribe that originally inherited it. This halakha was instituted by the Torah in the wake of a complaint by the relatives of the daughters of Zelophehad, who were worried that if these women married men from other tribes, the inheritance of Zelophehad would be lost from his tribe (see Numbers 36:1–12).

    10What did they expound, in support of their conclusion that this halakha was no longer in effect? The verse states: “This is the matter that the Lord has commanded concerning the daughters of Zelophehad, saying: Let them marry whom they think best; only into the family of the tribe of their father shall they marry” (Numbers 36:5). They derived from the verse that this matter shall be practiced only in this generation, when Eretz Yisrael was divided among the tribes, but afterward members of different tribes were permitted to marry. On the day this barrier separating the tribes was removed, the Sages established a permanent day of rejoicing.

    11Rav Yosef said that Rav Naḥman said: The fifteenth of Av was the day on which the tribe of Benjamin was permitted to enter the congregation of the Jewish people. After the tragic incident at Gibeah, for which the tribe of Benjamin was blamed, the other tribes ostracized them. They took an oath to prohibit themselves from marrying a member of the tribe of Benjamin, as it is stated: “And the men of Israel had sworn in Mizpah, saying: None of us shall give his daughter to Benjamin as a wife” (Judges 21:1). The Gemara asks: What did they expound that enabled them to dissolve this oath? Rav said: They understood the verse literally, as it states: “None of us,” and not: None of our children, i.e., the oath applied only to the generation that took the oath, not their descendants.

    12Rabba bar bar Ḥana said that Rabbi Yoḥanan said: The fifteenth of Av was the day on which the deaths of the Jews in the wilderness ceased. The entire generation that had left Egypt had passed away, as the Master said: After the sin of the spies, on account of which the Jews of that generation were sentenced to die in the wilderness, as long as the death of the Jews in the wilderness had not ceased, God’s speech did not come to Moses, as it is stated: “And it came to pass, when all the men of war were consumed and dead from among the people, that the Lord spoke to me, saying” (Deuteronomy 2:16–17). This indicates that only then, after the last member of that generation had died, was God’s speech delivered to me, i.e., Moses, but not beforehand. When the Jews realized that the decree that God would not speak to Moses had been lifted, they established that day as a permanent day of rejoicing.

    13Ulla said: The fifteenth of Av was the day on which King Hoshea, son of Ela, canceled the guards that Jeroboam, son of Nevat, placed on the roads so that the Jews would not ascend to Jerusalem for the pilgrim Festival. And Hoshea, son of Ela, said

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    Between the oven and stove- the least respectable place in the house.

    He won't see a sign of blessing- from that work

    Anyone who eats meat or drinks wine of Tisha B'av, on him the verse is said: "And those sins are on their bones"- On Tisha B'Av: meaning the meal that separates it (the last meal before the fast).

    Pregnant and nursing women- that cannot sleep on the ground

    One is able- That it's possible for them [to sleep on the ground].

    What's the practical difference?- Since [the Rabbis] admit in a cause where he is able and [Rebbi Yehuda] admits in a case where he isn't able.

    Other beds- that are in the house that he doesn't sleep on - Rebbi Yehuda who in the Mishnah obligates overturning the bed also obligates one who is able to overturn the rest of the beds, and the Rabbis hold he must overturn his bed but not other beds. This is related to a Baraita regarding a mourner.

    That the last tablets were given on it- On the 17th of Tammuz Moshe descended from the mountain for the first time and broke the tablets. Then, on the 18th, he grounded up the Golden Calf, judged the sinners, and ascended back to the heavens. He stayed there for 80 days: 40 days he stood in prayer as it says: "and I prayed before Hashem 40 days and 40 nights" (Deuteronomy 9:9), and he stood another 40 days like the first time. A calculation from the 17th of Tammuz until Yom Kippur comes out to 80 days: 12 days left from Tammuz (as it's a short month), 30 days in Av, 29 days in Elul equals 71 days. Add 9 days of Tishrei which equals 80 days. Add on the night of Yom Kipper and remove the night of the 17th of Tammuz that shouldn't be calculated as we already calculate it as the time he went up. Now, the explanation is 80 full days and nights and morning of Yom Kippur which is the 10th of Tishrei he went down and established that day as Yom Kippur to inform then that [Hashem] had forgiven and had mercy on the bad thing that he said he would do to his nation; therefore Yom Kippur was established on the 10th of Tishrei. This is what I heard.

    That the tribes were permitted to intermarry- As the Torah said, "and every daughter of Israel who inherits land ect." (Numbers 36:9) and it continues "And inheritance shall not pass over from one tribe to another, rather each Israelite shall cling to his land" [If woman with land intermarried then their land would pass over.] And they stood and allowed this thing on the 15th of Av.

    This is the thing that Hashem commanded to the daughters of Tzlaphchad etc.- The word "this (zeh)" is a limiting word the limitation being: This thing will only be observed in this generation of the daughters of Tzlaphchad.

    To come into the congregation- To marry women - For Israel had sworn not to intermarry with them as it is written in Judges 21.

    From us- this word is a limitation as it is written - "No man from us shall give his daughter to Binyamin". They only swore for themselves (ממנו), but on their children they didn't swear.

    1 "[the day] on which the deaths ceased in the desert" - As it was taught in a braita, all 40 years that they were in the desert, every Erev Tisha B’av, the proclaimer would go out and say: let each individual go out and dig [his grave]. And every single person would go out and dig for themselves a grave, and sleep in it, in case they would die before they had dug. And the next day, the proclaimer would go out and proclaim: let the living separate themselves from the dead. And every one who had the soul of life would rise and go out [of his grave]. And every year they would do this. And in the 40th year, they did it, and the next morning everyone stood up alive. And when they saw this, they were astonished, and they said, ‘perhaps we made a mistake in calculating the month [and it is not yet Tisha B’Av].’ They returned and slept in their graves each night until the 15th, and since they saw that the moon was full on Tu [B’av] and no one had died among them, they knew that the calculation of the month was in line, and that the 40 years of the decree had been completed, they established that day as a Yom Tov.

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    תענית 30 עמוד ב

    1בין תנור לכיריים ואוכל, ושותה עליה קיתון של מים, ודומה כמי שמתו מוטל לפניו.

    2תנן התם: מקום שנהגו לעשות מלאכה בט' באב עושין, מקום שנהגו שלא לעשות אין עושין. ובכל מקום, ת"ח בטלים. רשב"ג אומר: לעולם יעשה כל אדם עצמו כתלמיד חכם. תניא נמי הכי, רשב"ג אומר: לעולם יעשה אדם עצמו כתלמיד חכם, כדי שיתענה.

    Baraita

    3תניא אידך, רשב"ג אומר: כל האוכל ושותה בט' באב כאילו אוכל ושותה ביוה"כ ר"ע אומר: כל העושה מלאכה בתשעה באב אינו רואה סימן ברכה לעולם.

    4וחכ"א כל העושה מלאכה בט' באב ואינו מתאבל על ירושלים אינו רואה בשמחתה, שנא' (ישעיהו סו, י) ״שמחו את ירושלם וגילו בה כל אוהביה שישו אתה משוש כל המתאבלים עליה״, מכאן אמרו: כל המתאבל על ירושלים זוכה ורואה בשמחתה, ושאינו מתאבל על ירושלים אינו רואה בשמחתה. תניא נמי הכי: כל האוכל בשר ושותה יין בט' באב עליו הכתוב אומר: (יחזקאל לב, כז) ״ותהי עונותם על עצמותם״.

    5רבי יהודה מחייב בכפיית המטה, ולא הודו לו חכמים. תניא, אמרו לו לרבי יהודה: לדבריך, עוברות ומניקות מה תהא עליהן? אמר להם: אף אני לא אמרתי אלא ביכול.

    Baraita

    6תניא נמי הכי: מודה ר' יהודה לחכמים בשאינו יכול, ומודים חכמים לרבי יהודה ביכול. מאי בינייהו? איכא בינייהו שאר מטות.

    7כדתניא: כשאמרו לכפות המטה, לא מטתו בלבד הוא כופה, אלא כל המטות כולן הוא כופה. אמר רבא: הלכתא כתנא דידן, ולא הודו לו חכמים כל עיקר.

    8א"ר שמעון ב"ג לא היו ימים טובים לישראל כחמשה עשר באב וכיוה"כ: בשלמא יום הכפורים משום דאית ביה סליחה ומחילה, יום שניתנו בו לוחות האחרונות.

    9אלא ט"ו באב מאי היא? אמר רב יהודה אמר שמואל: יום שהותרו שבטים לבוא זה בזה.

    10מאי דרוש? (במדבר לו, ו) ״זה הדבר אשר צוה ה' לבנות צלפחד וגו'״ דבר זה לא יהא נוהג אלא בדור זה.

    11אמר רב יוסף אמר רב נחמן: יום שהותר שבט בנימן לבוא בקהל, שנאמר: ״(שופטים כא״, א) ״ואיש ישראל נשבע במצפה לאמר איש ממנו לא יתן בתו לבנימן לאשה״. מאי דרוש? אמר רב: ״ממנו״, ולא מבנינו.

    12(אמר) רבה בר בר חנה א"ר יוחנן: יום שכלו בו מתי מדבר. דאמר מר: עד שלא כלו מתי מדבר לא היה דבור עם משה, שנאמר: ״(דברים ב״, טז) ״ויהי כאשר תמו כל אנשי המלחמה למות. וידבר ה' אלי״. אלי היה הדבור.

    13עולא אמר: יום שביטל הושע בן אלה פרוסדיות שהושיב ירבעם בן נבט על הדרכים שלא יעלו ישראל לרגל, ואמר:

    Tosafot

    כל העושה מלאכה בתשעה באב אינו רואה סימן ברכה לעולם - כלומר באותה מלאכה שרגיל לעשות בתשעה באב אינו רואה סימן ברכה לעולם וחייב אדם לצער ולמעט בכבודו ובהנאותיו שאם היה רגיל לשכב על שני כרים לא ישכב כי אם על אחד אבל עוברות ומניקות אינן חייבות כולי האי שאינם יכולות להצטער בעצמן ואוכלין סעודה המפסקת מבעוד יום וכן נמי ביום הכפורים (נמי) צריך לסעוד מבע"י דתוספת יום הכפורים מן התורה כדכתיב (ויקרא כ״ג:כ״א) מערב ועד ערב וכתיב בעצם היום הזה (שם) אבל מכל מקום אין לאסור לשתות משאכל סעודה מפסקת ועדיין הוי היום גדול כדמשמע בירושלמי דר' יוסי איקלע לבצרה אכל סעודה מפסקת אתא לגבי דריש כנישתא והוה סעיד אמר ליה ההוא ריש כנישתא סעוד אצלי אמר ליה אכלית ואפסקית אמר לו אשגח עלי דלא לימרון הדין גברא לא אשגח עליה אכל מכל עיגול פתית ואכל מכל תבשיל ותבשיל חד פת ושתה מכל חבית חד כסא והכי הלכתא אם עדיין היום גדול לאחר שאכל סעודה המפסקת מותר לשתות אפילו ערב יוה"כ וכל שכן ערב תשעה באב:

    אמר רבא הלכה כתנא דידן ולא הודו לו חכמים - פירוש שאין צריך לכפות המטה והאידנא דחיישינן לכשפים לא עבדינן כפיית המטה ואפילו באבל:

    יום שהותרו השבטים לבא זה בזה - פירוש דהיינו י"ט:

    יום שבו כלו מתי מדבר - כדאמרי' (במדרש איכה) כל ט' באב היו עושין קבריהן ושוכבין בתוכן ולמחר הכרוז יוצא הבדלו החיים ואותה השנה שכלתה הגזרה קמו כולם והיו סבורים שמא טעו בחודש עד שראו הלבנה מלאה ואז ידעו שכלתה הגזרה ועשו יו"ט ופרשב"ם (בב"ב דף קכא.) כל המ' שנים לא היו מתים אלא בט' באב ובכל ט' באב היו מתים כ"א אלף ופרוטרוט ומפרש התם דאותו פרוטרוט עולה למ' שנים ט"ו אלף וי"מ שהיו מתים בכל יום אך רוב המתים היו לעולם בתשעה באב ובחמשה עשר באב פסקה הגזרה ולא מתו כלל ועשו י"ט:

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    Rav says, "Anyone who eats and drinks on the Ninth of Av (Tisha B'Av) is considered as if they eat and drink on Yom Kippur." Rabbi Akiva says, "Anyone who engages in work on the Ninth of Av never sees a sign of blessing forever." And the majority opinion is that anyone who engages in work on the Ninth of Av does not partake in the joy of Jerusalem, as it is stated, "Rejoice with Jerusalem and be glad with her, all who love her; rejoice greatly with her, all who mourn for her."

    Whoever does not mourn for Jerusalem does not witness its joy - And whoever eats on the Ninth of Av, upon him the Scripture says, "Let their iniquity be upon their bones." Their iniquities are engraved on their bones.

    Rabbi Yehuda obligates the imposition of the marital conjugal duty, and the sages did not agree with him. A Tanna acknowledges that Rabbi Yehuda's view is valid in cases where it is impossible otherwise, such as in cases of transgressions, nursing, and similar situations where marital duties cannot be enforced. The sages agree with Rabbi Yehuda that everyone must fulfill their conjugal duty if they are physically able to do so, even if they could sleep on the ground. Rava stated that the halacha follows our Tanna who stated that the sages did not agree with Rabbi Yehuda. The custom of Rabbi Yehuda ben Beteira on the eve of the Ninth of Av was to sit between the oven and the stove, eat a piece of bread soaked in salt, drink a cup of water, and resemble someone whose deceased is lying before him.

    There were no festive days for the Israelites like the 15th of Av and Yom Kippur. Now, regarding Yom Kippur, it is understandable because it is the day when the second tablets were given. As it is calculated, on the 17th of Tammuz, when Moses ascended to receive the first tablets, it took him forty days until the 29th of Av, as it is stated, "And I fell before the Lord," indicating his descent from the mountain. And he ascended again on the 30th day of Av (he completed three) [he stood four], and he descended with the second tablets, which is Yom Kippur. Therefore, it is fitting to be a holiday.

    But why is the 15th of Av a holiday? And it is said: It is a day when the tribes were permitted to intermarry with one another.

    The verse "And you shall not cause the inheritance to pass from one tribe to another" should be interpreted in the following manner: This practice was applicable only to the generation that entered the land, and it applied only to the division of the land among them. Rabbi Yochanan said that it refers specifically to the tribe of Benjamin, indicating that a man from another tribe should not give his daughter in marriage to a man from the tribe of Benjamin, nor should a man from the tribe of Benjamin give his daughter in marriage to a man from another tribe.

    Rav Nachman said, "The day on which the deaths in the desert ceased." And we find in the Jerusalem Talmud that Rabbi Avun said, "The act of digging was abolished on that day." As Rabbi Levi explained, on the evening of the 9th of Av, Moses would issue a proclamation in the Israelite camp, saying, "Go out and dig." They would go out and dig graves, and each person would sleep in his own grave. In the morning, whoever was found alive would return to the camp, while the dead remained in their graves. They would emerge on that day each year, and there were 15,000 minus a few who did not survive. However, in the 38th year, the same number as the years they wandered in the desert, all of them stood and none of them died. They said, "Let us take into account; this is not the day of the 9th of Av." And likewise, they said on the 11th, 12th, and 13th of Av, but when the 15th of Av arrived and the moon was full, they declared, "Certainly, God has nullified that decree." Therefore, they made it a festival.

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