Moed Katan 20a

שֶׁכְּבָר נִתְעַסְּקוּ בּוֹ בָּרֶגֶל. כְּלָלוֹ שֶׁל דָּבָר: כׇּל שֶׁהוּא מִשּׁוּם אֵבֶל — רֶגֶל מַפְסִיקוֹ. וְכׇל שֶׁהוּא מִשּׁוּם עִסְקֵי רַבִּים — אֵין רֶגֶל מַפְסִיקוֹ.

for they already occupied themselves with him when they came to console him during the Festival. The general principle with regard to the matter is as follows: Any activity that is prohibited to the mourner because it is an expression of mourning is interrupted by the Festival and remains prohibited afterward. And anything that involves the public’s occupation with the mourner, e.g., coming to the mourner to offer him comfort and condolence, is not interrupted by the Festival, for people console the mourner during the Festival as well.

קְבָרוֹ שְׁלֹשָׁה יָמִים בְּסוֹף הָרֶגֶל — מוֹנֶה שִׁבְעָה אַחַר הָרֶגֶל, אַרְבָּעָה יָמִים הָרִאשׁוֹנִים — רַבִּים מִתְעַסְּקִין בּוֹ, שְׁלֹשָׁה יָמִים הָאַחֲרוֹנִים — אֵין רַבִּים מִתְעַסְּקִין בּוֹ, שֶׁכְּבָר נִתְעַסְּקוּ [בּוֹ] בָּרֶגֶל, וְרֶגֶל עוֹלֶה לוֹ.

If he buries his relative three days before the end of the Festival, the mourner must count seven days of mourning after the Festival because his mourning never began. On the first four days of his mourning, the public must occupy themselves with him and come to console him. On the three last days, however, the public need not occupy themselves with him, as they already occupied themselves with him during the Festival. That is to say, they certainly came to console him during the Festival, although the period of mourning did not actually begin until afterward. And the Festival counts for him toward the thirty-day mourning period.

מַאי לָאו — אַסֵּיפָא! לָא, אַרֵישָׁא.

With regard to the statement of the baraita that the Festival counts toward the thirty-day period of mourning: What, is it not referring to the latter clause of that baraita , which speaks about a case where the burial was performed during the Festival itself? If this is the case, then a refutation of Rava’s opinion is stated explicitly, that the Festival counts toward the thirty-day mourning period, even if the deceased was buried on the Festival itself. Rava rejects this argument: No, it is referring to the first clause, which discusses a case where the burial was performed before the Festival, and since rites of mourning were observed already before the Festival, the Festival is counted toward the thirty-day period of mourning. Therefore, it is not a refutation of Rava’s halakha .

אֵיתִיבֵיהּ: רֶגֶל עוֹלֶה לוֹ לְמִנְיַן שְׁלֹשִׁים, כֵּיצַד? קְבָרוֹ בִּתְחִילַּת הָרֶגֶל — מוֹנֶה שִׁבְעָה אַחַר הָרֶגֶל, ומְלַאכְתּוֹ נַעֲשֵׂית עַל יְדֵי אֲחֵרִים, וַעֲבָדָיו וְשִׁפְחוֹתָיו עוֹשִׂין בְּצִנְעָא בְּתוֹךְ בֵּיתוֹ, וְאֵין רַבִּים מִתְעַסְּקִין בּוֹ, שֶׁכְּבָר נִתְעַסְּקוּ בּוֹ בָּרֶגֶל, וְרֶגֶל עוֹלֶה לוֹ. תְּיוּבְתָּא.

Abaye raised an objection to Rava’s opinion from another baraita , in which it was taught: A pilgrimage Festival counts toward the thirty- day period of mourning. How so? If one buried his dead relative at the beginning of a pilgrimage Festival, he must count seven days of mourning after the Festival, and during this period his work is performed by others. And his menservants and maidservants perform this work in private inside his house, and the public need not occupy themselves with him and come to console him, for they already occupied themselves with him during the Festival. And the Festival counts for him. Here it is explicitly stated that the Festival counts toward the thirty-day period of mourning, even when the deceased was buried during the Festival itself. The Gemara concludes: This is indeed a conclusive refutation of Rava’s opinion.

כִּי אֲתָא רָבִין, אָמַר רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן: אֲפִילּוּ קְבָרוֹ בָּרֶגֶל, וְכֵן אוֹרִי לֵיהּ רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר לְרַבִּי פְּדָת בְּרֵיהּ: אֲפִילּוּ קְבָרוֹ בָּרֶגֶל.

When Ravin came from Eretz Yisrael to Babylonia, he said that Rabbi Yoḥanan said: Even if one buried his dead relative during the Festival, the Festival counts toward his thirty-day period of mourning. And, similarly, Rabbi Elazar ruled for Rabbi Pedat, his son: Even if one buried his dead relative during the Festival it counts towards his thirty days.

תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן: קִיֵּים כְּפִיַּית הַמִּטָּה שְׁלֹשָׁה יָמִים קוֹדֶם הָרֶגֶל — אֵינוֹ צָרִיךְ לִכְפּוֹתָהּ אַחַר הָרֶגֶל, דִּבְרֵי רַבִּי אֱלִיעֶזֶר. וַחֲכָמִים אוֹמְרִים: אֲפִילּוּ יוֹם אֶחָד, אֲפִילּוּ שָׁעָה אַחַת.

§ The Sages taught the following baraita : If one fulfilled the obligation of overturning the bed for three days before the pilgrimage Festival, he is no longer required to overturn it after the Festival; this is the statement of Rabbi Eliezer. But the Rabbis say: Even if one overturned his bed for only one day, or even for only one hour, he is not required to overturn it after the Festival.

אָמַר רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר בְּרַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן: הֵן הֵן דִּבְרֵי בֵּית שַׁמַּאי, הֵן הֵן דִּבְרֵי בֵּית הִלֵּל. שֶׁבֵּית שַׁמַּאי אוֹמְרִים: שְׁלֹשָׁה יָמִים, וּבֵית הִלֵּל אוֹמְרִים: אֲפִילּוּ יוֹם אֶחָד.

Rabbi Elazar, son of Rabbi Shimon, said: This is the statement of Beit Shammai, and that is the statement of Beit Hillel. In other words, Rabbi Eliezer and the Rabbis disagreed about a matter that was the subject of an earlier dispute between Beit Shammai and Beit Hillel, for Beit Shammai say: Three days, and Beit Hillel say: Even one day.

אָמַר רַב הוּנָא אָמַר רַבִּי חִיָּיא בַּר אַבָּא אָמַר רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן, וְאָמְרִי לַהּ: אֲמַר לֵיהּ רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן לְרַבִּי חִיָּיא בַּר אַבָּא וּלְרַב הוּנָא: אֲפִילּוּ יוֹם אֶחָד, אֲפִילּוּ שָׁעָה אַחַת. רָבָא אָמַר: הֲלָכָה כְּתַנָּא דִּידַן דְּאָמַר שְׁלֹשָׁה.

Rav Huna said that Rabbi Ḥiyya bar Abba said that Rabbi Yoḥanan said, and some say a different version of this line of transmission: Rabbi Yoḥanan said to Rabbi Ḥiyya bar Abba and to Rav Huna: Even one day, even one hour. The Gemara cites Rava, who said: The halakha is in accordance with the opinion of the tanna of our mishna, who said three days. Based on this, we rule that the mourning rites are not canceled after the Festival unless they were observed for at least three days before the Festival.

רָבִינָא אִיקְּלַע לְסוּרָא דִפְרָת, אֲמַר לֵיהּ רַב חֲבִיבָא לְרָבִינָא: הִלְכְתָא מַאי? אֲמַר לֵיהּ: אֲפִילּוּ יוֹם אֶחָד, וַאֲפִילּוּ שָׁעָה אַחַת.

Ravina happened to come to the city of Sura on the banks of the Euphrates River. Rav Ḥaviva said to Ravina: What is the halakha with regard to this issue? He said to him: Even one day, and even one hour.

יָתֵיב רַבִּי חִיָּיא בַּר אַבָּא וְרַבִּי אַמֵּי וְרַבִּי יִצְחָק נַפָּחָא אַקִּילְעָא דְּרַבִּי יִצְחָק בֶּן אֶלְעָזָר, נְפַק מִילְּתָא מִבֵּינַיְיהוּ: מִנַּיִן לַאֲבֵילוּת שִׁבְעָה — דִּכְתִיב: ״וְהָפַכְתִּי חַגֵּיכֶם לְאֵבֶל״, מָה חַג שִׁבְעָה — אַף אֲבֵילוּת שִׁבְעָה.

§ It was related that Rabbi Ḥiyya bar Abba, Rabbi Ami, and Rabbi Yitzḥak Nappaḥa were once sitting in the pavilion of Rabbi Yitzḥak ben Elazar and were conversing. A matter emerged from among them: From where is it derived that the rites of mourning are observed for seven days? As it is written: “And I will turn your Festivals into mourning” (Amos 8:10). Just as a Festival lasts for seven days, so too mourning lasts for seven days.

וְאֵימָא עֲצֶרֶת, דְּחַד יוֹמָא! הָהוּא מִיבְּעֵי לֵיהּ לְכִדְרֵישׁ לָקִישׁ. דְּאָמַר רֵישׁ לָקִישׁ מִשּׁוּם רַבִּי יְהוּדָה נְשִׂיאָה: מִנַּיִן לִשְׁמוּעָה רְחוֹקָה שֶׁאֵינָהּ נוֹהֶגֶת אֶלָּא יוֹם אֶחָד — דִּכְתִיב: ״וְהָפַכְתִּי חַגֵּיכֶם לְאֵבֶל״, וְאַשְׁכְּחַן עֲצֶרֶת דְּאִיקְּרִי חַד יוֹמָא חַג.

The Gemara asks: And say that perhaps mourning is like Shavuot , which is only one day. The Gemara rejects this argument: That derivation, from the one day of Shavuot , is required for what was stated by Reish Lakish, as Reish Lakish said in the name of Rabbi Yehuda Nesia: From where is it derived that mourning in the case of distant tidings, i.e., when one hears that one of his relatives died a long time ago, applies for only one day? As it is written: “And I will turn your Festivals into mourning,” and we find with regard to Shavuot that one day is also called a Festival.

תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן: שְׁמוּעָה קְרוֹבָה — נוֹהֶגֶת שִׁבְעָה וּשְׁלֹשִׁים, שְׁמוּעָה רְחוֹקָה — אֵינָהּ נוֹהֶגֶת אֶלָּא יוֹם אֶחָד. אֵיזוֹ הִיא קְרוֹבָה וְאֵיזוֹ הִיא רְחוֹקָה? קְרוֹבָה בְּתוֹךְ שְׁלֹשִׁים, רְחוֹקָה לְאַחַר שְׁלֹשִׁים, דִּבְרֵי רַבִּי עֲקִיבָא. וַחֲכָמִים אוֹמְרִים: אַחַת שְׁמוּעָה קְרוֹבָה וְאַחַת שְׁמוּעָה רְחוֹקָה — נוֹהֶגֶת שִׁבְעָה וּשְׁלֹשִׁים.

The Sages taught the following baraita : In the case of recent tidings of a relative’s death, mourning applies for seven- and thirty- day periods. In the case of distant tidings, it applies only for one day. What are considered recent tidings and what are considered distant tidings? Recent tidings are news that arrives within thirty days of the person’s death. Distant tidings are news that arrives after thirty days; this is the statement of Rabbi Akiva. And the Rabbis say: Both in the case of recent tidings and in the case of distant tidings, mourning applies for seven- and thirty- day periods.

אָמַר רַבָּה בַּר בַּר חָנָה אָמַר רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן: כׇּל מָקוֹם שֶׁאַתָּה מוֹצֵא יָחִיד מֵקֵיל וְרַבִּים מַחְמִירִין — הֲלָכָה כָּרַבִּים. חוּץ מִזּוֹ, שֶׁאַף עַל פִּי שֶׁרַבִּי עֲקִיבָא מֵקֵיל וַחֲכָמִים מַחְמִירִין — הֲלָכָה כְּרַבִּי עֲקִיבָא. דְּאָמַר שְׁמוּאֵל: הֲלָכָה כְּדִבְרֵי הַמֵּקֵיל בְּאֵבֶל.

Rabba bar bar Ḥana said that Rabbi Yoḥanan said: Wherever you find an individual being lenient and the majority being stringent, the halakha is in accordance with the majority, except for this case, for even though Rabbi Akiva is lenient and the Rabbis are stringent, the halakha is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Akiva. This is in keeping with the principle stated by Shmuel: The halakha follows the statement of the more lenient authority in matters relating to mourning.

רַב חֲנִינָא אַתְיָא לֵיהּ שְׁמוּעָה דַאֲבוּהּ מִבֵּי חוֹזָאֵי, אֲתָא לְקַמֵּיהּ דְּרַב חִסְדָּא, אֲמַר לֵיהּ: שְׁמוּעָה רְחוֹקָה אֵינָהּ נוֹהֶגֶת אֶלָּא יוֹם אֶחָד. רַב נָתָן בַּר אַמֵּי אֲתָא לֵיהּ שְׁמוּעָה דְּאִימֵּיהּ מִבֵּי חוֹזָאֵי, אֲתָא לְקַמֵּיהּ דְּרָבָא, אֲמַר לֵיהּ: הֲרֵי אָמְרוּ, שְׁמוּעָה רְחוֹקָה אֵינָהּ נוֹהֶגֶת אֶלָּא יוֹם אֶחָד בִּלְבַד.

It was related that Rav Ḥanina received distant tidings of his father’s death from Bei Ḥozai. He came before Rav Ḥisda to ask what he should do. Rav Ḥisda said to him: In the case of distant tidings, mourning applies for only one day. It was similarly related that Rav Natan bar Ami received a report about his mother’s death from Bei Ḥozai. He came before Rava, and Rava said to him: They said that in the case of distant tidings, mourning applies for only one day.

אֵיתִיבֵיהּ: בַּמָּה דְּבָרִים אֲמוּרִים — בַּחֲמִשָּׁה מֵתֵי מִצְוָה, אֲבָל עַל אָבִיו וְעַל אִמּוֹ שִׁבְעָה וּשְׁלֹשִׁים!

Rav Natan raised an objection to Rava’s opinion based on what was taught in a baraita : In what case is this statement that mourning applies for only one day said? In the case of the other five close relatives, over whose death it is a mitzva to mourn, i.e., son, daughter, brother, sister, and spouse. But for one’s father or mother, one is required to mourn for seven and thirty days, even when the report of the parent’s death is received some time after the event.

אֲמַר לֵיהּ: יְחִידָאָה הִיא, וְלָא סְבִירָא לַן כְּווֹתֵיהּ. דְּתַנְיָא: מַעֲשֶׂה וּמֵת אָבִיו שֶׁל רַבִּי צָדוֹק בְּגִינְזַק, וְהוֹדִיעוּהוּ לְאַחַר שָׁלֹשׁ שָׁנִים, וּבָא וְשָׁאַל אֶת אֱלִישָׁע בֶּן אֲבוּיָה וּזְקֵנִים שֶׁעִמּוֹ, וְאָמְרוּ: נְהוֹג שִׁבְעָה וּשְׁלֹשִׁים. וּכְשֶׁמֵּת בְּנוֹ שֶׁל רַבִּי אֲחִיָּיה בַּגּוֹלָה, יָשַׁב עָלָיו שִׁבְעָה וּשְׁלֹשִׁים.

Rava said to him: This is an individual opinion, and we do not hold in accordance with his opinion, as it is taught in a baraita : There was an incident and the father of Rabbi Tzadok died in the city of Ginzak, and they informed him of his father’s passing only after three years. He came and asked Elisha ben Avuya and the Elders with him what he should do. And Elisha ben Avuya said to him: Observe the rites of mourning for seven and thirty days. And when the son of Rabbi Aḥiyya died in the Diaspora, and Rabbi Aḥiyya was informed about his passing a long time afterward, he sat in mourning for seven and thirty days. Therefore, it is clear that this opinion was held only by a few individual Sages, but it was not generally accepted.

אִינִי? וְהָא רַב, בַּר אֲחוּהּ דְּרַבִּי חִיָּיא דְּהוּא בַּר אֲחָתֵיהּ דְּרַבִּי חִיָּיא, כִּי סְלֵיק לְהָתָם אֲמַר לֵיהּ: אַבָּא קַיָּים?

The Gemara asks: Is that so, that this is Rabbi Aḥiyya’s opinion? But Rav was the son of Rabbi Ḥiyya’s brother and also the son of Rabbi Ḥiyya’s sister, for Rav’s father, Aivu, was Rabbi Ḥiyya’s paternal half brother, and Rav’s mother was Rabbi Ḥiyya’s maternal half sister. When Rav went there, Eretz Yisrael, his uncle Rabbi Ḥiyya said to him: Is your father, Aivu, still alive?