Chullin 78b

זֶה בָּנָה אָב – כׇּל מָקוֹם שֶׁנֶּאֱמַר ״שֶׂה״ אֵינוֹ אֶלָּא לְהוֹצִיא אֶת הַכִּלְאַיִם. אָמַר קְרָא ״אוֹ״ לְרַבּוֹת אֶת הַכִּלְאַיִם.

concerning the verse: “These are the animals that you may eat: An ox, a seh of sheep, and a seh of goats” (Deuteronomy 14:4), that this verse establishes a paradigm for other cases: Wherever the word seh is stated in the Torah, it serves only to exclude an animal of diverse kinds. The Hebrew word seh denotes either a sheep or a goat. The offspring of diverse kinds, which is neither a sheep nor a goat, does not qualify as a seh . The Gemara answers that with regard to a mother and its offspring, the verse states: “Whether it be a bull or a sheep” (Leviticus 22:28), and the “or” is superfluous there and serves to include the offspring of diverse kinds.

הַאי ״אוֹ״ מִיבְּעֵי לֵיהּ לְחַלֵּק, דְּסָלְקָא דַּעְתָּךְ אָמֵינָא: עַד דְּשָׁחֵיט שׁוֹר וּבְנוֹ שֶׂה וּבְנוֹ לָא מִיחַיַּיב, קָא מַשְׁמַע לַן. לְחַלֵּק – מִ״בְּנוֹ״ נָפְקָא.

The Gemara challenges: This word “or” is necessary to separate the prohibitions, as it might enter your mind to say: One is not liable unless he slaughters both a bull and its offspring and a sheep and its offspring in a single day. Therefore, the word “or” teaches us that one is liable for slaughtering either type of animal with its offspring. The Gemara responds: Separating the prohibitions is derived from the use of the words “its offspring” instead of their offspring.

וְאַכַּתִּי מִיבְּעֵי לֵיהּ לְכִדְתַנְיָא: אִילּוּ נֶאֱמַר ״שׁוֹר וָשֶׂה וּבְנוֹ״, הָיִיתִי אוֹמֵר: עַד שֶׁיִּשְׁחוֹט שׁוֹר וָשֶׂה וּבְנוֹ, תַּלְמוּד לוֹמַר: ״שׁוֹר אוֹ שֶׂה אוֹתוֹ וְאֶת בְּנוֹ״. מַאי לָאו מֵ״אוֹ״ נָפְקָא לֵיהּ? לָא, מֵ״אוֹתוֹ״.

The Gemara challenges: But the word “or” is still necessary for that which is taught in a baraita : If it were stated: A bull, and a sheep, and its offspring you shall not slaughter in one day, I would say: One is not liable unless he slaughters a bull, and a sheep, and the offspring of one of them in a single day. Therefore, the verse states: “A bull or a sheep…it and its offspring” (Leviticus 22:28), to teach that one is liable even for slaughtering either of them and its offspring. What, is it not from the word “or” that the baraita derives this halakha ? The Gemara responds: No, it is derived from the word “it,” and the offspring of diverse kinds are included in the prohibition due to the word “or.”

הָנִיחָא לְרַבָּנַן, דִּמְיַיתַּר לְהוּ ״אוֹתוֹ״, אֶלָּא לַחֲנַנְיָה, דְּלָא מְיַיתַּר לֵיהּ ״אוֹתוֹ״, לְחַלֵּק מְנָא לֵיהּ? לְחַלֵּק לָא צְרִיךְ קְרָא, דְּסָבַר לַהּ כְּרַבִּי יוֹנָתָן.

The Gemara asks: This works out well according to the opinion of the Rabbis, cited further in the discussion, for whom the word “it” is superfluous and can be used for this derivation, leaving the word “or” available to include the offspring of diverse kinds; but according to the opinion of Ḥananya, for whom the word “it” is not superfluous, from where does he derive that one is to separate into two prohibitions slaughtering either a bull with its offspring or a sheep with its offspring? The Gemara answers that there is no need for a verse to separate them into two prohibitions, as Ḥananya holds in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yonatan.

דְּתַנְיָא: ״אִישׁ אֲשֶׁר יְקַלֵּל אֶת אָבִיו וְאֶת אִמּוֹ״, אֵין לִי אֶלָּא אָבִיו וְאִמּוֹ, אָבִיו שֶׁלֹּא אִמּוֹ וְאִמּוֹ שֶׁלֹּא אָבִיו מִנַּיִן? תַּלְמוּד לוֹמַר: ״אָבִיו וְאִמּוֹ קִלֵּל״ – אָבִיו קִלֵּל, אִמּוֹ קִלֵּל, דִּבְרֵי רַבִּי יֹאשִׁיָּה.

As it is taught in a baraita : From the verse: “A man who curses his father and his mother shall die” (Leviticus 20:9), I have derived only that one is liable if he curses both his father and his mother. From where do I derive that if one curses his father but not his mother, or his mother but not his father, he is liable? The continuation of the verse states: “His father and his mother he has cursed, his blood is upon him.” In the first part of the verse, the word “curses” is in proximity to “his father,” and in the last part of the verse, “cursed” is in proximity to “his mother.” This teaches that the verse is referring to both a case where he cursed only his father and a case where he cursed only his mother; this is the statement of Rabbi Yoshiya. Rabbi Yoshiya maintains that conjunctions are interpreted strictly unless the verse indicates otherwise.

רַבִּי יוֹנָתָן אוֹמֵר: מַשְׁמָע שְׁנֵיהֶם כְּאֶחָד, וּמַשְׁמָע אֶחָד בִּפְנֵי עַצְמוֹ, עַד שֶׁיִּפְרוֹט לְךָ הַכָּתוּב ״יַחְדָּו״.

Rabbi Yonatan says: There is no need for this derivation, because the phrase “his father and his mother” indicates that one is liable if he curses both of them together, and it also indicates that he is liable if he curses either one of them on their own, unless the verse specifies that one is liable only if he curses both together. An example of a verse where the Torah specifies that the halakha applies only to the two elements in conjunction is: “You shall not plow with an ox and a donkey together” (Deuteronomy 22:10). According to Rabbi Yonatan, had the verse stated with regard to a mother and its offspring: A bull and a sheep, and not: A bull or a sheep, one would still be liable for slaughtering each with its own offspring independently. Therefore, the word “or” is superfluous, and is utilized by Ḥananya, who agrees with the opinion of Rabbi Yonatan, to include the offspring of diverse kinds in this prohibition.

מַאי חֲנַנְיָה, וּמַאי רַבָּנַן? דְּתַנְיָא: אוֹתוֹ וְאֶת בְּנוֹ נוֹהֵג בִּנְקֵבוֹת, וְאֵינוֹ נוֹהֵג בִּזְכָרִים. חֲנַנְיָה אוֹמֵר: נוֹהֵג בֵּין בִּזְכָרִים וּבֵין בִּנְקֵבוֹת.

The Gemara asks: What is the opinion of Ḥananya, and what is the opinion of the Rabbis that were mentioned earlier? Their opinions are elucidated as it is taught in a baraita : Despite the fact that the verse is written in the masculine form, the prohibition against slaughtering itself and its offspring in a single day applies to females, i.e., to a mother and its offspring, but it does not apply to males, i.e., a male animal and its offspring. Ḥananya says: It applies both to males and to females.

מַאי טַעְמָא דְּרַבָּנַן? דְּתַנְיָא: יָכוֹל יְהֵא אוֹתוֹ וְאֶת בְּנוֹ נוֹהֵג בֵּין בִּזְכָרִים וּבֵין בִּנְקֵבוֹת? וְדִין הוּא: חִיֵּיב כָּאן, וְחַיָּיב בְּאֵם עַל הַבָּנִים; מָה כְּשֶׁחִיֵּיב בְּאֵם עַל הַבָּנִים – בִּנְקֵבוֹת וְלֹא בִּזְכָרִים, אַף כְּשֶׁחִיֵּיב כָּאן – בִּנְקֵבוֹת וְלֹא בִּזְכָרִים.

The Gemara asks: What is the reasoning of the Rabbis, i.e., the first tanna ? Their reasoning is as it is taught in a baraita : One might have thought that the prohibition against slaughtering a mother and its offspring would apply both to males and to females. But could one not derive this by logical inference, reaching the opposite conclusion: The Torah rendered one obligated here not to slaughter an animal and its offspring in a single day, and the Torah rendered one obligated with regard to a mother bird with its chicks not to seize them together, but to dispatch the mother. Just as when it rendered one obligated with regard to a mother bird with its chicks, the obligation applies to female birds but not to males, as the verse states: “And the mother sitting on the chicks” (Deuteronomy 22:6), so too, when it rendered one obligated here, with regard to an animal and its offspring, the obligation should apply to female animals, but not to males.

לֹא, אִם אָמַרְתָּ בְּאֵם עַל הַבָּנִים, שֶׁכֵּן לֹא עָשָׂה בָּהּ מְזוּמָּן כְּשֶׁאֵינוֹ מְזוּמָּן, תֹּאמַר בְּאוֹתוֹ וְאֶת בְּנוֹ, שֶׁעָשָׂה בּוֹ מְזוּמָּן כְּשֶׁאֵינוֹ מְזוּמָּן?

One may respond: No, if you say that this is so with regard to a mother bird with its chicks, for which the Torah did not render prepared ones equivalent to unprepared ones, as the obligation to dispatch the mother bird applies only where one happens to encounter a mother bird with its chicks spontaneously, but not to ones that he keeps in his property, shall you also say that this is so with regard to the prohibition of an animal itself and its offspring, for which the Torah rendered prepared ones equivalent to unprepared ones, prohibiting an animal and its offspring even if they are prepared? If so, the prohibition against slaughtering an animal and its offspring should apply to both males and females.

תַּלְמוּד לוֹמַר: ״אוֹתוֹ״ – אֶחָד וְלֹא שְׁנַיִם. אַחַר שֶׁחִלֵּק הַכָּתוּב, זָכִיתִי לְדִין: חִיֵּיב כָּאן וְחִיֵּיב בְּאֵם עַל הַבָּנִים – מָה כְּשֶׁחִיֵּיב בְּאֵם עַל הַבָּנִים – בִּנְקֵבוֹת וְלֹא בִּזְכָרִים, אַף כְּשֶׁחִיֵּיב כָּאן – בִּנְקֵבוֹת וְלֹא בִּזְכָרִים.

Therefore, the verse states: “A bull or a sheep, it and its offspring” (Leviticus 22:28). The superfluous word “it” indicates that this applies to only one parent, but not to two. The baraita continues: After the verse separated the parents, rendering the prohibition applicable to only one of them, I merited returning to the logical inference mentioned earlier: The Torah rendered one obligated here not to slaughter an animal and its offspring in a single day, and the Torah rendered one obligated to dispatch the mother with regard to a mother bird with its chicks. Just as when it rendered one obligated with regard to a mother bird with its chicks, the obligation applies to females but not to males, so too, when it rendered one obligated here, the obligation applies to females but not to males.

וְאִם נַפְשְׁךָ לוֹמַר, ״בְּנוֹ״ – מִי שֶׁבְּנוֹ כָּרוּךְ אַחֲרָיו, יָצָא זָכָר שֶׁאֵין בְּנוֹ כָּרוּךְ אַחֲרָיו.

And if it is your wish to say that one can refute this, that refutation can be countered by the following derivation: The verse states: “It and its offspring” (Leviticus 22:28), indicating that this applies to that parent whose offspring clings to it. This serves to exclude the male parent, whose offspring does not cling to it.

מָה אִם נַפְשְׁךָ לוֹמַר? וְכִי תֵּימָא ״אוֹתוֹ״ זָכָר מַשְׁמַע, הֲרֵי הוּא אוֹמֵר ״בְּנוֹ״ – מִי שֶׁבְּנוֹ כָּרוּךְ אַחֲרָיו, יָצָא זָכָר שֶׁאֵין בְּנוֹ כָּרוּךְ אַחֲרָיו.

The Gemara asks: To what possible refutation is the expression: If it is your wish to say, referring? The Gemara explains that the possible refutation is: And if you would say that the word “it,” in the verse denotes a male, as it is expressed in the masculine gender in the Hebrew, the response is that the verse also states “its offspring” in that verse, indicating that this applies to that parent whose offspring clings to it. This serves to exclude the male parent, whose offspring does not cling to it.