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    Translation: William Davidson Edition - English. Read alongside the Aramaic below; numbers match the passages of the daf.

    1or grape, or cluster of grapes, would bring it to the Temple and a priest would hang it on the vine. Rabbi Elazar, son of Rabbi Tzadok, said: There was once an incident and three hundred priests were enlisted to lift the vine in order to move it, due to its immense weight. This description is an exaggeration, as although the vine was extremely heavy, it did not require three hundred priests to lift it.

    2With regard to Shmuel’s statement that the Sages exaggerated with regard to the weight of the Curtain, it is as we learned in a mishna ( Shekalim 21b) that Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel says in the name of Rabbi Shimon the deputy High Priest: With regard to the Curtain, its thickness is one handbreadth. It is woven from seventy-two strands of yarn, and each and every strand of those seventy-two strands is made from twenty-four threads. The Curtain is fashioned from four materials: Sky-blue wool, purple wool, scarlet wool, and fine linen, and every strand comprises six threads of each material.

    3Its length is forty cubits, corresponding to the height of the entrance to the Sanctuary, and its width is twenty cubits, matching the width of the entrance. And it is made at the cost of eighty-two ten-thousands, i.e., 820,000, gold dinars, and two new Curtains are made in each and every year. And the Curtain was so heavy that when it was immersed three hundred priests would immerse it.

    4§ The mishna teaches: The priests began raising logs onto the altar to assemble the arrangement of wood. Wood from all the trees is fit for the arrangement, except for wood from the olive tree and from the vine. The Gemara asks: What is the reason that wood from these trees is not fit for the arrangement? Rav Pappa said: It is due to the fact that they have thick knots in their branches, which cause the wood to burn poorly and produce excessive smoke. Rav Aḥa bar Ya’akov said: Although these trees are unfit for the arrangement primarily because they burn poorly, there is an additional reason: They are not used because using them would deplete the olive trees and grapevines, which would be detrimental to the settlement of Eretz Yisrael.

    5The Gemara raises an objection to the explanation of Rav Aḥa bar Ya’akov from a baraita : The verse states with regard to the wood of the arrangement: “And the sons of Aaron the priest shall put fire upon the altar, and lay wood in order upon the fire. And Aaron’s sons, the priests, shall lay the pieces, and the head, and the fat, in order upon the wood that is on the fire which is upon the altar” (Leviticus 1:7–8). The verse indicates that the arrangement must be composed of wood that burns completely, until it becomes like the fire itself. And what is that type of wood? This is referring to branches that are as smooth as a skewer [ shipud ], which do not become knotted from within. Evidently, the primary qualification of the wood is that it does not have knots.

    6The Gemara continues: And is wood from all the trees fit for the arrangement? The baraita explains: Wood from all the trees is fit for the arrangement, except for olive wood and wood from the vine, but the priests were accustomed to assemble the arrangement with wood from these trees: With young branches of the fig tree, of the nut tree, and of pinewood. Rabbi Eliezer adds that the following types of wood are also unfit: The wood of the hackberry tree, of the oak, of the palm tree, of the carob tree, and of the sycamore.

    7The Gemara explains the difficulty: Granted, according to the one who said that the wood of the olive and of the vine are not used because they have knots, one can explain that the first tanna of the baraita and Rabbi Eliezer disagree with regard to this matter: One Sage, Rabbi Eliezer, holds that although the wood of the trees that he deems unfit for the arrangement, e.g., the hackberry tree and the oak, are not knotted from within, since they are knotted on the outside, we do not bring wood from these trees for the arrangement. And one Sage, the first tanna , holds that since these are not knotted from within, even though they are knotted on the outside, we do bring wood from these trees for the arrangment.

    8But according to the one who said that the wood of the olive and of the vine are not used because it would be detrimental to the settlement of Eretz Yisrael, the palm tree should also be unfit for the arrangement. Isn’t it also subject to the consideration that cutting it down would be detrimental to the settlement of Eretz Yisrael? It is also one of the species about which Eretz Yisrael is praised. If so, why does the first tanna deem the palm tree fit for the arrangement?

    9The Gemara explains that Rav Aḥa bar Ya’akov could say to you: It is unnecessary to cite the baraita in order to raise this difficulty, as the mishna itself states that the fig tree is a preferred source of firewood. And according to your reasoning, isn’t the fig tree subject to the consideration that cutting it down would be detrimental to the settlement of Eretz Yisrael? It is also one of the species about which Eretz Yisrael is praised. Rather, what have you to say? One must say that the mishna is referring to a fig tree that does not bear fruit. With regard to the palm tree as well, the baraita is referring to a variety that does not bear fruit.

    10The Gemara asks: But is there a fig tree that does not bear fruit? The Gemara answers: Yes, there are fig trees that do not bear fruit, and this is in accordance with a statement of Raḥava with regard to a method of cultivating fig trees, as Raḥava said: The growers bring saplings of white figs, which are an inferior variety,

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    תמיד 29 עמוד ב

    1או גרגיר, או אשכול מביא ותולה בה. אמר ר' אלעזר ברבי צדוק: מעשה היה, ונמנו עליה שלש מאות כהנים לפנותה.

    2פרוכת דתנן רבן שמעון בן גמליאל אומר משום רבי שמעון הסגן: פרוכת עביה טפח, על שבעים ושנים נימין נארגת, ועל כל נימה ונימה עשרים וארבעה חוטין.

    3ארכה ארבעים אמה, ורחבה עשרים אמה. ומשמונים ושתים ריבוא נעשית, ושתים עושין בכל שנה ושנה, ושלש מאות כהנים מטבילין אותה.

    4החלו מעלין בגזירין לסדר את המערכה [וכו']. חוץ משל זית ומשל גפן [וכו']. הני מ"ט רב פפא אמר: משום דקטרי. רב אחא בר יעקב אמר: משום ישוב דארץ ישראל.

    5מיתיבי: (ויקרא א, ח) ״על העצים אשר על האש״ עצים הנתוכים להיות אש, ומאי ניהו? דוקרי שפוד דלא קטרי ואזלי מקטר מתוכו!

    6וכי כל העצים כשרים למערכה הן? כל העצים כשרים, חוץ מן זית וגפן. אבל באלו היו רגילין: במרביות של תאנה, ושל אגוז, ושל עץ שמן. רבי אליעזר מוסיף אף של מייש, ושל אלון, ושל דקל, ושל חרוב, ושל שקמה.

    7בשלמא למאן דאמר משום דקטרי, בהא קמיפלגי: דמר סבר: אף על גב דלא קטרי מגואי, כיון דקטרי מבראי לא מייתינן. ומר סבר: כיון דלא קטרי מגואי, אע"ג דמבראי קטרי מייתינן.

    8אלא למאן דאמר משום ישוב דארץ ישראל: דקל מי לית ביה משום ישוב דארץ ישראל?

    9אמר לך: וליטעמיך: תאנה לית בה משום ישוב דארץ ישראל?! אלא מאי אית לך למימר? בתאנה דלא עבידא פירא, דקל נמי בדלא עביד פירא.

    10ומי איכא תאנה דלא עבדא פירא? אין, כדרחבה. דאמר רחבה: מייתי תאיני חיורתא,׃

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    Tamid 29b

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    A full text unit for Tamid, daf 29, Amud Bet, about 238 words in 10 segments. Segment numbers make it easier to return to an exact line; the commentaries below are quoted from their printed sources.

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    1. Segment 120 words

      Opens “או גרגיר, או אשכול מביא ותולה בה.…”

      Named: רבי צדוק.

    2. Segment 226 words

      Opens “פרוכת דתנן רבן שמעון בן גמליאל אומר…”

      Named: רבי שמעון, רבן שמעון.

    3. Segment 320 words

      Opens “ארכה ארבעים אמה, ורחבה עשרים אמה. ומשמונים…”

    4. Segment 429 words

      Opens “החלו מעלין בגזירין לסדר את המערכה [וכו'].…”

      Named: רב פפא, רב אחא בר יעקב.

    5. Segment 522 words

      Opens “מיתיבי: (ויקרא א, ח) ״על העצים אשר…”

    6. Segment 639 words

      Opens “וכי כל העצים כשרים למערכה הן? כל…”

      Named: רבי אליעזר.

    7. Segment 730 words

      Opens “בשלמא למאן דאמר משום דקטרי, בהא קמיפלגי:…”

    8. Segment 815 words

      Opens “אלא למאן דאמר משום ישוב דארץ ישראל:…”

    9. Segment 924 words

      Opens “אמר לך: וליטעמיך: תאנה לית בה משום…”

    10. Segment 1013 words

      Opens “ומי איכא תאנה דלא עבדא פירא? אין,…”

    Sages named on this page

    • Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel [III] · Third Generation of Tannaim

      Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel III was a prominent Tanna, son of Rabban Gamliel of Yavneh and father of Rabbi Yehudah HaNasi.

      Source: Tamid 29b · Segment 2 — “פרוכת דתנן רבן שמעון בן גמליאל אומר משום רבי…

    • Rav Aha · Amoraim · Fourth Generation of Amoraim

      Rav Aha, a prominent sage of the fourth generation of Amoraim, served as a Dayan in Lod and was highly influential, contributing…

      Source: Tamid 29b · Segment 4 — “…אמר: משום דקטרי. רב אחא בר יעקב אמר: משום…

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