Shabbat 152b

כׇּל יוֹמָא הֲוָה דָּבַר רַב יְהוּדָה בֵּי עַשְׂרָה, וְיָתְבִי בְּדוּכְתֵּיהּ. לְאַחַר שִׁבְעָה יָמִים אִיתְחֲזִי לֵיהּ בְּחֶילְמֵיהּ דְּרַב יְהוּדָה, וַאֲמַר לֵיהּ: תָּנוּחַ דַּעְתְּךָ שֶׁהִנַּחְתָּ אֶת דַּעְתִּי.

every day of the seven-day mourning period, Rav Yehuda would take ten people and they would sit in his place, in the house of the deceased. After seven days had passed the deceased appeared to Rav Yehuda in his dream and said to him: Put your mind to rest, for you have put my mind to rest.

אָמַר רַבִּי אֲבָהוּ: כׇּל שֶׁאוֹמְרִים בִּפְנֵי הַמֵּת, יוֹדֵעַ, עַד שֶׁיִּסָּתֵם הַגּוֹלֵל. פְּלִיגִי בַּהּ רַבִּי חִיָּיא וְרַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן בְּרַבִּי. חַד אָמַר: עַד שֶׁיִּסָּתֵם הַגּוֹלֵל, וְחַד אָמַר: עַד שֶׁיִּתְעַכֵּל הַבָּשָׂר.

Rabbi Abbahu said: Everything people say before the deceased, he knows, until the tomb is sealed with the top-stone. Rabbi Ḥiyya and Rabbi Shimon, son of Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi, disagreed with regard to the meaning of this statement. One of them said that the deceased is aware until the tomb is sealed with the top-stone, which is referring to the covering of the grave ( Tosafot ). And one of them said that it is until the flesh decomposes.

מַאן דְּאָמַר עַד שֶׁיִּתְעַכֵּל הַבָּשָׂר, דִּכְתִיב: ״אַךְ בְּשָׂרוֹ עָלָיו יִכְאָב וְנַפְשׁוֹ עָלָיו תֶּאֱבָל״. מַאן דְּאָמַר עַד שֶׁיִּסָּתֵם הַגּוֹלֵל, דִּכְתִיב: ״וְיָשׁוֹב הֶעָפָר עַל הָאָרֶץ כְּשֶׁהָיָה וְגוֹ׳״.

The one who said that it is until the flesh decomposes can support his position based on that which is written in the following verse: “But his flesh grieves for him, and his soul mourns over him” (Job 14:22). This indicates that the deceased is aware of the pain of his flesh in the grave. The one who said that the deceased is aware only until the tomb is sealed with the top-stone can support his view based on that which is written in a different verse: “And the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it” (Ecclesiastes 12:7). This indicates that when the body returns to the earth, the spirit also returns to its place and is no longer aware of what is happening to the body.

תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן: ״וְהָרוּחַ תָּשׁוּב אֶל הָאֱלֹהִים אֲשֶׁר נְתָנָהּ״ — תְּנָהּ לוֹ כְּמוֹ שֶׁנְּתָנָהּ לְךָ, בְּטׇהֳרָה — אַף אַתָּה בְּטָהֳרָה. מָשָׁל לְמֶלֶךְ בָּשָׂר וָדָם שֶׁחָלַק בִּגְדֵי מַלְכוּת לַעֲבָדָיו. פִּקְחִין שֶׁבָּהֶן, קִיפְּלוּם וְהִנִּיחוּם בְּקוּפְסָא. טִפְּשִׁים שֶׁבָּהֶן, הָלְכוּ וְעָשׂוּ בָּהֶן מְלָאכָה. לְיָמִים בִּיקֵּשׁ הַמֶּלֶךְ אֶת כֵּלָיו, פִּקְחִין שֶׁבָּהֶן הֶחֱזִירוּם לוֹ כְּשֶׁהֵן מְגוֹהָצִין, טִפְּשִׁין שֶׁבָּהֶן הֶחֱזִירוּם לוֹ כְּשֶׁהֵן מְלוּכְלָכִין. שָׂמֵחַ הַמֶּלֶךְ לִקְרַאת פִּקְחִין, וְכָעַס לִקְרַאת טִפְּשִׁין.

The Sages taught with regard to the verse: “And the spirit returns to God who gave it” (Ecclesiastes 12:7) that the words: Who gave it, mean: As it was given. In other words, give it to Him as He gave it to you; just as He gave it to you in purity, you too should return it to God in purity. The Gemara cites a parable of a king of flesh and blood who distributed royal garments to his servants. The wise ones folded them and placed them in a box [ kufsa ] to protect them, whereas the foolish ones went and worked in them. After a period of time the king requested that his garments be returned to him. The wise ones returned them to him pressed, as they were when the servants received them, and the foolish ones returned them dirty. The king was happy to greet the wise ones and angry to greet the foolish ones.

עַל פִּקְחִין אָמַר: יִנָּתְנוּ כֵּלַי לָאוֹצָר, וְהֵם יֵלְכוּ לְבָתֵּיהֶם לְשָׁלוֹם. וְעַל טִפְּשִׁין אָמַר: כֵּלַי יִנָּתְנוּ לְכוֹבֵס, וְהֵן יֵחָבְשׁוּ בְּבֵית הָאֲסוּרִים.

With regard to the wise ones he said: My garments shall be given back to the storehouse, and let them go to their homes in peace. And with regard to the foolish ones he said: My garments shall be given to the launderer, and they, the fools, will be locked up in prison as a punishment for degrading the king’s garments for their own purposes.

אַף הַקָּדוֹשׁ בָּרוּךְ הוּא, עַל גּוּפָן שֶׁל צַדִּיקִים אוֹמֵר: ״יָבֹא שָׁלוֹם יָנוּחוּ עַל מִשְׁכְּבוֹתָם״, וְעַל נִשְׁמָתָן הוּא אוֹמֵר: ״וְהָיְתָה נֶפֶשׁ אֲדוֹנִי צְרוּרָה בִּצְרוֹר הַחַיִּים״. עַל גּוּפָן שֶׁל רְשָׁעִים הוּא אוֹמֵר: ״אֵין שָׁלוֹם אָמַר ה׳ לָרְשָׁעִים״, וְעַל נִשְׁמָתָן הוּא אוֹמֵר: ״וְאֵת נֶפֶשׁ אוֹיְבֶיךָ יְקַלְּעֶנָּה בְּתוֹךְ כַּף הַקָּלַע״.

The Holy One, Blessed be He, also acts in this way. With regard to the bodies of the righteous, which are likened to the royal garments that are well kept, it states: “He enters into peace, they rest on their beds each one that walks in his uprightness” (Isaiah 57:2). And with regard to their souls, it states: “And the soul of my lord shall be bound in the bundle of life with the Lord your God” (I Samuel 25:29). And conversely, with regard to the bodies of the wicked, it states: “There is no peace, says the Lord, for the wicked” (Isaiah 57:21), and with regard to their souls, it states: “And the souls of your enemies He shall sling out in the hollow of a sling” (I Samuel 25:29).

תַּנְיָא, רַבִּי אֱלִיעֶזֶר אוֹמֵר: נִשְׁמָתָן שֶׁל צַדִּיקִים גְּנוּזוֹת תַּחַת כִּסֵּא הַכָּבוֹד, שֶׁנֶּאֱמַר: ״וְהָיְתָה נֶפֶשׁ אֲדֹנִי צְרוּרָה בִּצְרוֹר הַחַיִּים״. וְשֶׁל רְשָׁעִים זוֹמְמוֹת וְהוֹלְכוֹת, [וּמַלְאָךְ אֶחָד עוֹמֵד בְּסוֹף הָעוֹלָם, וּמַלְאָךְ אַחֵר עוֹמֵד בְּסוֹף הָעוֹלָם, וּמְקַלְּעִין נִשְׁמָתָן זֶה לָזֶה,] שֶׁנֶּאֱמַר: ״וְאֵת נֶפֶשׁ אוֹיְבֶיךָ יְקַלְּעֶנָּה בְּתוֹךְ כַּף הַקָּלַע״.

It was taught in a baraita that Rabbi Eliezer says: The souls of the righteous are stored beneath the Throne of Glory, as it is stated: “And the soul of my lord shall be bound in the bundle of life” (I Samuel 25:29). And the souls of the wicked are continuously tied up, and one angel stands at one end of the world and another angel stands at the other end of the world and they sling the souls of the wicked back and forth to one another, as it is stated: “And the souls of your enemies He shall sling out in the hollow of a sling” (I Samuel 25:29).

אֲמַר לֵיהּ רַבָּה לְרַב נַחְמָן: שֶׁל בֵּינוֹנִים מַאי? אֲמַר לֵיהּ: אִיכּוֹ שָׁכֵיבְנָא, לָא אֲמַרִי לְכוּ הַאי מִילְּתָא, הָכִי אָמַר שְׁמוּאֵל: אֵלּוּ וָאֵלּוּ לְדוּמָה נִמְסָרִין. הַלָּלוּ, יֵשׁ לָהֶן מָנוֹחַ. הַלָּלוּ, אֵין לָהֶן מָנוֹחַ. אָמַר (לֵיהּ) רַב מָרִי: עֲתִידִי צַדִּיקֵי דְּהָווּ עַפְרָא, דִּכְתִיב: ״וְיָשׁוֹב הֶעָפָר עַל הָאָרֶץ כְּשֶׁהָיָה״.

Rabba said to Rav Naḥman: What happens to the souls of middling people, who are neither righteous nor wicked? Rav Naḥman said to him: It is good that you asked me this question, for even if I were dead I would not have been able to tell you that. As Shmuel said as follows: These and those, the souls of the wicked and of the middling people, are handed over to Duma, the angel in charge of spirits. But these, the souls of the middling people, have rest, and these, the souls of the wicked, do not have rest. Rav Mari said: Even the bodies of the righteous will not be preserved and will become dust, as it is written: “And the dust returns to the earth as it was” (Ecclesiastes 12:7).

הָנְהוּ קָפוֹלָאֵי דַּהֲווֹ קָפְלִי בְּאַרְעָא דְּרַב נַחְמָן. נְחַר בְּהוּ רַב אַחַאי בַּר יֹאשִׁיָּה. אֲתוֹ וַאֲמַרוּ לֵיהּ לְרַב נַחְמָן: נְחַר בַּן גַּבְרָא. אֲתָא וַאֲמַר לֵיהּ: מַאן נִיהוּ מָר? אֲמַר לֵיהּ: אֲנָא אַחַאי בַּר יֹאשִׁיָּה. אֲמַר לֵיהּ: וְלָאו אָמַר רַב מָרִי: עֲתִידִי צַדִּיקֵי דְּהָווּ עַפְרָא? אֲמַר לֵיהּ: וּמַנִּי מָרִי דְּלָא יָדַעְנָא לֵיהּ? אֲמַר לֵיהּ: וְהָא קְרָא כְּתִיב: ״וְיָשׁוֹב הֶעָפָר עַל הָאָרֶץ כְּשֶׁהָיָה״!

The Gemara cites a related story: The diggers who were digging in Rav Naḥman’s land came upon a grave, and Rav Aḥai bar Yoshiya, who was buried there, rebuked them. They came and said to Rav Naḥman: A deceased person just rebuked us. Rav Naḥman came and said to the person buried there: Who is the Master, i.e., who are you? He said to him: I am Aḥai bar Yoshiya. Rav Naḥman said to him: How has your body been preserved? Didn’t Rav Mari say that the righteous will turn to dust? Rav Aḥai said to him: And who is Mari, whom I do not know? Why should I be concerned about what he says? Rav Naḥman said to him: Even without Rav Mari’s statement, there is an explicit verse which is written: “And the dust will return to the earth as it was” (Ecclesiastes 12:7).

אֲמַר לֵיהּ: דְּאַקְרְיָיךְ קֹהֶלֶת, לָא אַקְרְיָיךְ מִשְׁלֵי, דִּכְתִיב: ״וּרְקַב עֲצָמוֹת קִנְאָה״. כָּל מִי שֶׁיֵּשׁ לוֹ קִנְאָה בְּלִבּוֹ — עַצְמוֹתָיו מַרְקִיבִים, כֹּל שֶׁאֵין לוֹ קִנְאָה בְּלִבּוֹ — אֵין עַצְמוֹתָיו מַרְקִיבִים.

Rav Aḥai said to him: Whoever taught you the book of Ecclesiastes did not teach you the book of Proverbs, for it is written in Proverbs: “A tranquil heart is the life of the flesh, but envy is the rotting of the bones” (Proverbs 14:30). This means that anyone who has envy in his heart during his lifetime, his bones rot in the grave, and anyone who does not have envy in his heart, his bones do not rot.

גַּשְּׁשֵׁיהּ, חַזְיֵיהּ דְּאִית בֵּיהּ מְשָׁשָׁא. אֲמַר לֵיהּ: לֵיקוּם מָר לְגַוֵּויהּ דְּבֵיתָא. אֲמַר לֵיהּ: גַּלֵּית אַדַּעְתָּךְ דַּאֲפִילּוּ נְבִיאֵי לָא קְרֵית, דִּכְתִיב: ״וִידַעְתֶּם כִּי אֲנִי ה׳ בְּפִתְחִי אֶת קִבְרוֹתֵיכֶם״.

Rav Naḥman touched him and saw that he had substance. Rav Naḥman said to him: Let the Master arise and come into my house. Rav Aḥai said to him: You have revealed that you have not even studied Prophets, and it is not just the Writings of which you are ignorant, for it is written: “And you shall know that I am the Lord when I open up your graves and lift you up from your graves, My nation” (Ezekiel 37:13). As long as the dead have not been instructed to leave their graves, leaving of their own accord is prohibited.

אֲמַר לֵיהּ, וְהָכְתִיב: ״כִּי עָפָר אַתָּה וְאֶל עָפָר תָּשׁוּב״! אֲמַר לֵיהּ: הָהוּא שָׁעָה אַחַת קוֹדֶם תְּחִיַּית הַמֵּתִים.

Rav Naḥman once again asked Rav Aḥai about the preservation of the flesh, and he said: But it is written: “For you are dust and you shall return to dust” (Genesis 3:19), so why has your body not turned into dust? He said to him: That verse applies to the righteous only one hour before the resurrection of the dead, so that they, too, may be created anew (Maharsha).

אֲמַר לֵיהּ הָהוּא מִינָא לְרַבִּי אֲבָהוּ: אָמְרִיתוּ נִשְׁמָתָן שֶׁל צַדִּיקִים גְּנוּזוֹת תַּחַת כִּסֵּא הַכָּבוֹד. אוֹבָא טַמְיָא, הֵיכָא אַסְּקֵיהּ לִשְׁמוּאֵל בִּנְגִידָא? אֲמַר לֵיהּ: הָתָם בְּתוֹךְ שְׁנֵים עָשָׂר חֹדֶשׁ הֲוָה, דְּתַנְיָא: כׇּל שְׁנֵים עָשָׂר חֹדֶשׁ גּוּפוֹ קַיָּים, וְנִשְׁמָתוֹ עוֹלָה וְיוֹרֶדֶת. לְאַחַר שְׁנֵים עָשָׂר חֹדֶשׁ הַגּוּף בָּטֵל

A certain apostate once said to Rabbi Abbahu: You say that the souls of the righteous are stored beneath the Throne of Glory, but if so, how did the oracle woman raise up Samuel using necromancy if his soul was no longer in this world? Rabbi Abbahu said to him: There, it was within twelve months of his death, as it was taught in a baraita : For a full twelve months a deceased person’s body remains and his soul ascends and descends, such that it is sometimes in this world with its body. After twelve months, the body ceases to exist