Temurah 17b

אָמַר לְךָ שְׁמוּאֵל: דִּלְמָא הָךְ תַּנָּא נָמֵי סָבַר כֹּל הֵיכָא דְּלָא חַזְיָא לְגוּפַהּ — לָא נָחֲתָא לַהּ קְדוּשַּׁת הַגּוּף.

The Gemara explains that Shmuel could have said to you: Perhaps this tanna also holds that anywhere that an animal is not fit itself for sacrificing, inherent sanctity does not rest upon it. Shmuel himself holds in accordance with those who disagree with this opinion.

הֲדַרַן עֲלָךְ יֵשׁ בְּקׇרְבְּנוֹת.

MISHNA: These are the sacrificial animals for which the halakhic status of their offspring and substitutes is like their own halakhic status: The offspring of peace offerings, and their substitute animals, and even the offspring of their offspring or their substitute animals, and even the offspring of their offspring, until the end of all time [ ad sof kol ha’olam ]. They are all endowed with the sanctity and halakhic status of peace offerings, and therefore they require placing hands on the head of the animal, and libations, and the waving of the breast and the thigh in order to give them to the priest.

מַתְנִי׳ אֵלּוּ קָדָשִׁים שֶׁוַּולְדוֹתֵיהֶן וּתְמוּרוֹתֵיהֶן כַּיּוֹצֵא בָּהֶן, וְלַד שְׁלָמִים וּתְמוּרָתָן, וְלָדָן וּוְלַד וְלָדָן עַד סוֹף כׇּל הָעוֹלָם — הֲרֵי הֵן שְׁלָמִים, וּטְעוּנִין סְמִיכָה וּנְסָכִים וּתְנוּפַת חָזֶה וָשׁוֹק.

GEMARA: The Gemara asks: Since the tanna already taught: The offspring of the offspring or the substitute and the offspring of their offspring, why do I need him to state: Until the end of all time? The Gemara answers: The tanna of our mishna heard that Rabbi Elazar said in the next mishna that the offspring of a peace offering is not sacrificed as a peace offering, but rather it is sequestered and left to die, and the tanna of our mishna said to him: It is not necessary to state with regard to their offspring that I do not concede to you, as I maintain that it is sacrificed upon the altar as a peace offering, but even with regard to all of the offsprings until the end of time I do not concede to you, as I rule that they are all sacrificed as peace offerings.

גְּמָ׳ כֵּיוָן דִּתְנָא ״וְלָדָן וּוְלַד וְלָדָן״, ״עַד סוֹף כׇּל הָעוֹלָם״ לְמָה לִי? תַּנָּא דִידַן שַׁמְעֵיהּ לְרַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר דְּאָמַר ״וְלַד שְׁלָמִים לֹא יִקְרַב שְׁלָמִים״, וַאֲמַר לֵיהּ תַּנָּא דִידַן: לָא מִיבַּעְיָא בִּוְולָדָן דְּלָא מוֹדֵינָא, אֶלָּא אֲפִילּוּ עַד סוֹף הָעוֹלָם לָא מוֹדֵינָא לָךְ.

§ With regard to the mishna’s statement that the halakhic status of the offspring of peace offerings and their substitutes are like that of the peace offering itself, the Gemara asks: From where are these matters derived? The Gemara answers: As the Sages taught in a baraita : “And if his offering be a sacrifice of peace offerings: If he offer of the herd, if male if female, he shall offer it without blemish before the Lord” (Leviticus 3:1). Since the verse already states: “If he offer of the herd,” the words “if male if female” are unnecessary. Rather, the word “male” serves to include the offspring of a peace offering as having the the same halakhic status as a peace offering.

מְנָא הָנֵי מִילֵּי? דְּתָנוּ רַבָּנַן: ״זָכָר״ — לְרַבּוֹת אֶת הַוָּלָד.

The baraita objects: But could this not be derived through an a fortiori inference: If a substitute of a peace offering, which is lenient in that it is not grown from consecrated property, i.e., it is not the offspring of a sacrifical animal, is sacrificed as a peace offering, then with regard to the offspring of a peace offering, which is more stringent since it is grown from consecrated property, is it not logical that it be sacrificed as a peace offering?

וַהֲלֹא דִין הוּא: וּמָה תְּמוּרָה, שֶׁאֵין גִּידּוּלֵי הֶקְדֵּשׁ — קְרֵיבָה, וָלָד, שֶׁגִּידּוּלֵי הֶקְדֵּשׁ — אֵינוֹ דִּין שֶׁיִּקְרַב?

The baraita responds that this a fortiori inference may be refuted: What is unique about the halakhic status of a substitute? It is unique in that the halakha of substitution applies to all sacrificial animals that belong to an individual, and therefore the substitute of a peace offering is offered as a peace offering. Shall you say the same with regard to the offspring, which is more lenient in that it does not apply to all sacrificial animals, as some are male and do not give birth, and therefore there is reason to say that it is not sacrificed as a peace offering, since the halakha with regard to the sanctity of the offspring does not apply to all sacrificial animals? Therefore, the verse states the word “male” to include the offspring, and it states the word “female” to include the substitute of a peace offering, indicating that both have the status of a peace offering.

מָה לִתְמוּרָה, שֶׁכֵּן נוֹהֶגֶת בְּכׇל הַקֳּדָשִׁים, תֹּאמַר בְּוָלָד, שֶׁאֵינוֹ נוֹהֵג בְּכׇל הַקֳּדָשִׁים? אֵינוֹ קָרֵב הוֹאִיל וְאֵינוֹ נוֹהֵג בְּכׇל הַקֳּדָשִׁים. תַּלְמוּד לוֹמַר ״זָכָר״ — לְרַבּוֹת אֶת הַוָּלָד, ״נְקֵבָה״ — לְרַבּוֹת הַתְּמוּרָה.

I have derived only that the substitute of an unblemished peace offering and the offspring of an unblemished peace offering have the status of a peace offering. From where do I derive that the offspring of blemished animals and the substitute of blemished animals which are themselves unblemished have the status of peace offerings? The verse states in a more expanded form: “If male,” to include the offspring of blemished animals, and “if female,” to include the substitute of blemished animals.

אֵין לִי אֶלָּא תְּמוּרַת תְּמִימִין, וּוְלַד תְּמִימִין, וְלַד בַּעֲלֵי מוּמִין וּתְמוּרַת בַּעֲלֵי מוּמִין מִנַּיִן? תַּלְמוּד לוֹמַר ״אִם זָכָר״ לְרַבּוֹת וְלַד בַּעֲלֵי מוּמִין, ״אִם נְקֵבָה״ לְרַבּוֹת תְּמוּרַת בַּעֲלֵי מוּמִין.

The Gemara analyzes the baraita : Rav Safra said to Abaye: But why should I not reverse the interpretations and say that the words “if male” serve to include the substitute of blemished animals, and the words “if female” serve to include the offspring of blemished animals? Abaye responds: It stands to reason that from the same place that the substitute of unblemished animals is included, i.e., from the word “female,” the substitute of blemished animals is also included, i.e., from the expanded form “if female.” Likewise, since the word “male” teaches that the offspring of an unblemished peace offering is included, the offspring of a blemished peace offering is included from the phrase “if male.”

אֲמַר לֵיהּ רַב סָפְרָא לְאַבָּיֵי: וְאֵיפוֹךְ אֲנָא! מִסְתַּבְּרָא, מִמָּקוֹם שֶׁנִּתְרַבְּתָה תְּמוּרַת תְּמִימִין נִתְרַבְּתָה תְּמוּרַת בַּעֲלֵי מוּמִין.

Rav Safra said to Abaye in explanation of his question: Did I say to you to reverse the interpretations of the phrases “if male” and “if female”? I actually said that the interpretation of the entire verse should be reversed as follows: Say that the word “male” serves to include the substitute of both a blemished and an unblemished offering, and the word “female” serves to include the offspring of both a blemished and an unblemished offering. Abaye said to him in response: It is logical to interpret the verse as the baraita does, as the word offspring [ valad ] indicates a masculine form, while the word substitute [ temura ] indicates a feminine form.

אֲמַר לֵיהּ: מִי קָאָמֵינָא לָךְ לֵיפוֹךְ ״אִם זָכָר״ ״אִם נְקֵבָה״? אֲנָא כּוּלֵּיהּ קְרָא קָאָמֵינָא! אֵימָא: ״זָכָר״ לְרַבּוֹת אֶת הַתְּמוּרָה, ״נְקֵבָה״ לְרַבּוֹת אֶת הַוָּלָד. אֲמַר לֵיהּ: ״וָלָד״ לְשׁוֹן זָכָר מַשְׁמַע, ״תְּמוּרָה״ לְשׁוֹן נְקֵבָה מַשְׁמַע.

§ The baraita stated that the offspring of a blemished peace offering has the status of a peace offering. The Gemara asks: For what matter is that halakha relevant? Shmuel said: It is relevant with regard to sacrificing it on the altar as a peace offering, even though its mother is blemished and disqualified for the altar. And the baraita is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Elazar, who rules that if one sets aside a female animal for a burnt offering, and that animal gave birth to a male, the offspring is offered as a burnt offering, even though its mother may not be offered as a burnt offering (see 18b).

לְמַאי הִלְכְתָא? אָמַר שְׁמוּאֵל: לִיקְרַב, וְאַלִּיבָּא דְּרַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר.

The baraita therefore teaches that the same is true with regard to the offspring of a blemished peace offering. And although Rabbi Elazar already stated this principle, it was necessary for the baraita to repeat it in this case, lest you say that when Rabbi Elazar says his opinion, it is only with regard to a burnt offering, due to the fact that there the discrepancy between mother and offspring is their sex, and there is burnt offering status for females, i.e., the case of a bird that is the same sex as its mother, as one may sacrifice a female bird burnt offering. But perhaps these offspring of a blemished peace offering are not sacrificed, as there is no case of a blemished animal that may be offered as a peace offering. Therefore, it teaches us that even these offspring may be sacrificed.

דְּמַהוּ דְּתֵימָא: כִּי קָאָמַר רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר עוֹלָה, דְּאִיכָּא שֵׁם עוֹלָה עַל אִמּוֹ, אֲבָל הָנֵי וְלָדוֹת לָא קָרְבִי — קָמַשְׁמַע לַן.

Bar Padda said: The statement of the baraita that the offspring of a blemished peace offering has the status of a peace offering is relevant only with regard to grazing the animal until it develops a blemish, after which it may be redeemed and the money used to bring a burnt offering. But the animal itself may not be sacrificed on the altar. And the baraita is in accordance with all opinions. As it was stated that the following amora’im disagreed about the same point as did Shmuel and bar Padda: Rava said that the offspring of a blemished offering is consecrated with regard to sacrificing it upon the altar, and this is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Elazar, whereas Rav Pappa said that this halakha applies only with regard to grazing, and this is in accordance with all opinions.

בַּר פְּדָא אָמַר: לִרְעִיָּה, וְאַלִּיבָּא דְּדִבְרֵי הַכֹּל. דְּאִתְּמַר: רָבָא אָמַר: לִיקְרַב, וְאַלִּיבָּא דְּרַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר. רַב פָּפָּא אָמַר: לִרְעִיָּה, וְאַלִּיבָּא דְּדִבְרֵי הַכֹּל.

§ In the baraita , the halakha governing the substitute and offspring of a peace offering is derived from the superfluous words “male” and “female.” The Gemara notes: But this tanna cites the source of this halakha from here: “Only the holy things you have, and your vows, you shall take and go to the place which the Lord shall choose; and you shall offer your burnt offerings, the flesh and the blood, upon the altar of the Lord your God; and the blood of your sacrifices shall be poured out against the altar of the Lord your God, and you shall eat the flesh” (Deuteronomy 12:26–27).

וְהַאי תַּנָּא מַיְיתֵי לַהּ מֵהָכָא.

With regard to the words: “Only your holy things,” these are the substitutes; “that you have,” these are the offspring. And with regard to these, it states: “You shall take and go to the place which the Lord shall choose,” i.e., they must be brought to the Temple as offerings.

״רָק קֳדָשֶׁיךָ״ — אֵלּוּ תְּמוּרוֹת, ״אֲשֶׁר יִהְיוּ לָךְ״ — אֵלּוּ הַוְּולָדוֹת, ״תִּשָּׂא וּבָאת״.

One might have thought that one should bring them into the Temple but withhold water and food from them so that they die. Therefore, the verse states: “And you shall offer your burnt offerings, the flesh and the blood, upon the altar of the Lord your God.” This indicates that in the manner that you treat a burnt offering, you should treat the substitute of a burnt offering, and in the manner that you treat a peace offering, you should treat the offspring of a peace offering and the substitute of a peace offering.

יָכוֹל יַכְנִיסֶנּוּ לְבֵית הַבְּחִירָה, וְיִמְנַע מֵהֶם מַיִם וּמָזוֹן כְּדֵי שֶׁיָּמוּתוּ? תַּלְמוּד לוֹמַר: ״וְעָשִׂיתָ עוֹלוֹתֶיךָ הַבָּשָׂר וְהַדָּם״, כְּדֶרֶךְ שֶׁאַתָּה נוֹהֵג בְּעוֹלָה — אַתָּה נוֹהֵג בִּתְמוּרָה, כְּדֶרֶךְ שֶׁאַתָּה נוֹהֵג בִּשְׁלָמִים — אַתָּה נוֹהֵג בְּוַולְדֵי שְׁלָמִים וּבִתְמוּרָה.

One might have thought that this is the halakha with regard to all sacrificial animals, i.e., that their substitutes and offspring are sacrificed upon the altar. Therefore, the verse states: “Only your holy things,” which, as the Gemara will explain shortly, excludes certain offspring from this principle. This is the statement of Rabbi Yishmael. Rabbi Akiva says: The word “only” is unnecessary, as it states with regard to a guilt offering: “It is a guilt offering; he is certainly guilty before the Lord” (Leviticus 5:19). The term “It is [ hu ],” indicates that only it, the guilt offering itself, is sacrificed upon the altar, but its substitute is not sacrificed.

יָכוֹל כׇּל קָדָשִׁים כֵּן? תַּלְמוּד לוֹמַר ״רַק״ — דִּבְרֵי רַבִּי יִשְׁמָעֵאל. רַבִּי עֲקִיבָא אוֹמֵר: אֵינוֹ צָרִיךְ, הֲרֵי הוּא אוֹמֵר ״אָשָׁם הוּא אָשֹׁם אָשַׁם לַה׳״ — הוּא קָרֵב, וְאֵין תְּמוּרָתוֹ קְרֵיבָה.

§ The Master said above: Due to the phrase in the verse “You shall take and go,” one might have thought that one should bring the substitute and offspring into the Temple but withhold water and food from them so that they die. Therefore, the verse states: “And you shall offer your burnt offerings, the flesh and the blood, upon the altar of the Lord your God.”

אָמַר מָר: ״תִּשָּׂא וּבָאת״, יָכוֹל יַכְנִיסֶנּוּ לְבֵית הַבְּחִירָה?

The Gemara asks: From where would this be derived, that these animals should be brought into the Temple and then left to die? Since the halakha that five sin offering are left to die is learned through a tradition transmitted to Moses from Sinai, and the offspring of a sin offering and the substitute of a sin offering are included among those five, it would have been reasonable to conclude that only those sin offerings are left to die, but these animals, the offspring of a peace offering and the substitute of a peace offering, are sacrificed upon the altar.

מְנָא תֵּיתֵי הָא? כֵּיוָן דְּגָמְרִי חָמֵשׁ חַטָּאוֹת, הָנָךְ מִקְרָב קָרְבִי!

The Gemara answers: The verse is necessary, lest you say that these five sin offerings may be left to die in any location, but these, the offspring and substitute of a peace offering, must be left to die specifically in the Temple. Therefore, the verse teaches us that this is not so, as the offspring and substitute of a peace offering may be offered upon the altar.

מַהוּ דְּתֵימָא: חָמֵשׁ חַטָּאוֹת מֵתוֹת בְּכׇל מָקוֹם, וְהָנָךְ יָמוּתוּ בְּבֵית הַבְּחִירָה — קָמַשְׁמַע לַן.

§ The master said above: One might have thought that this is the halakha even with regard to all sacrificial animals that their substitutes and offspring may be sacrificed upon the altar just as the sacrificial animals themselves are. Therefore, the verse states: “Only your holy things,” indicating that this principle does not apply equally in all cases. The Gemara asks: The offspring of which offering is referred to here? If it is referring to the offspring of a burnt offering, a burnt offering is male, and is therefore not capable of giving birth. And if it is referring to the offspring or substitute of a sin offering, it is learned as a tradition that such an animal is left to die.

אָמַר מָר: יָכוֹל אַף כָּל הַקֳּדָשִׁים כֵּן? תַּלְמוּד לוֹמַר ״רַק קָדָשֶׁיךָ״. וָלָד דְּמַאן? אִי דְּעוֹלָה — זָכָר הוּא, וְלָאו בַּר אוֹלוֹדֵי הוּא! וְאִי דְּחַטָּאת — גְּמִירִי לַהּ דִּלְמִיתָה קָיְימִי!