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Ketubot 61a

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Ketubot 61a

Ketubot 61a. The full printed text of this folio side — 16 numbered segments, about 509 words — with the classic commentaries printed on the page.

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Segment 1

בָּרְיֵי. דְּאָכְלָה בֵּיעֵי — הָווּ לַהּ בְּנֵי עֵינָנֵי. דְּאָכְלָה כְּווֹרֵי — הָווּ לַהּ בְּנֵי חִינָּנֵי. דְּאָכְלָה כַּרְפְּסָא — הָווּ לַהּ בְּנֵי זִיוְתָנֵי. דְּאָכְלָה כּוּסְבַּרְתָּא — הָווּ לַהּ בְּנֵי בִּישְׂרָנֵי. דְּאָכְלָה אֶתְרוֹגָא — הָווּ לַהּ בְּנֵי רֵיחָנֵי. בְּרַתֵּיה דְּשַׁבּוּר מַלְכָּא אֲכַלָה בַּהּ אַמָּה אֶתְרוֹגָא, וַהֲווֹ מַסְּקִי לַהּ לְקַמֵּיהּ אֲבוּהּ בְּרֵישׁ רֵיחָנֵי.

healthy; one who eats eggs will have large-eyed children; one who eats fish will have graceful children; one who eats celery will have beautiful children; one who eats coriander [ kusbarta ] will have corpulent children; and one who eats etrogim will have sweet-smelling children. It is related with regard to the daughter of King Shapur of Persia, that her mother ate etrogim while pregnant with her and they used to place her in front of her father on top of all the spices, as she was so fragrant.

Segment 2

אָמַר רַב הוּנָא, בְּדַק לַן רַב הוּנָא בַּר חִינָּנָא: הִיא אוֹמֶרֶת לְהָנִיק, וְהוּא אוֹמֵר שֶׁלֹּא לְהָנִיק — שׁוֹמְעִין לָהּ. צַעֲרָא דִּידַהּ הוּא. הוּא אוֹמֵר לְהָנִיק, וְהִיא אוֹמֶרֶת שֶׁלֹּא לְהָנִיק, מַהוּ? כֹּל הֵיכָא דְּלָאו אוֹרְחַהּ — שׁוֹמְעִין לָהּ. הִיא אוֹרְחַהּ וְהוּא לָאו אוֹרְחֵיהּ, מַאי? בָּתַר דִּידֵיהּ אָזְלִינַן, אוֹ בָּתַר דִּידַהּ אָזְלִינַן?

§ Rav Huna said: Rav Huna bar Ḥinnana tested us, by asking: If she says that she wants to nurse and he says that he does not want her to nurse but rather to give the child to a wet nurse, we accede to her desires, as she is the one suffering from engorgement of her breasts. However, if he says that he wants her to nurse and she says that she does not want to nurse, what is the halakha ? He then narrowed the scope of the question: Anywhere that she is not accustomed, as the women of her family generally do not nurse their children but give them to wet nurses instead, we accede to her desires. However, if she is accustomed to nursing and he is not accustomed, i.e., the women of her family generally nurse their babies but the women in his family do not, what is the halakha : Do we follow his wishes to follow her family custom or do we follow her wishes to follow his family custom?

Segment 3

וּפָשֵׁיטְנָא לֵיהּ מֵהָא: עוֹלָה עִמּוֹ וְאֵינָהּ יוֹרֶדֶת עִמּוֹ. אָמַר רַב הוּנָא: מַאי קְרָאָה — ״וְהִיא בְּעוּלַת בָּעַל״, בַּעֲלִיָּיתוֹ שֶׁל בַּעַל, וְלֹא בִּירִידָתוֹ שֶׁל בַּעַל. רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר אָמַר מֵהָכָא: ״כִּי הִיא הָיְתָה אֵם כׇּל חָי״, לְחַיִּים נִיתְּנָה, וְלֹא לְצַעַר נִיתְּנָה.

And we answered his question from this amoraic statement: When a woman marries a man, she ascends with him to his socioeconomic status, if it is higher than hers, but she does not descend with him if his status is lower. Consequently, if his family is not accustomed to nurse, she is not obligated to nurse either. Rav Huna said: What is the verse from which this is derived? It is derived from: “She is a man’s wife” (Genesis 20:3). The Gemara explains: The word used here for “wife [ be’ula ]” hints through similar spelling that she ascends in status with the ascension [ aliya ] of her husband but does not descend with the descent of her husband. Rabbi Elazar said: There is a hint to this principle from here: “As she was the mother of all living” (Genesis 3:20), which indicates that she was given to her husband for living with him, but was not given to suffer pain with him.

Segment 4

הִכְנִיסָה לוֹ שִׁפְחָה וְכוּ׳. הָא שְׁאָרָא עָבְדָא. וְתֵימָא לֵיהּ: עַיֵּילִית לָךְ אִיתְּתָא בַּחֲרִיקַאי! מִשּׁוּם דְּאָמַר לַהּ: הָא טָרְחָא לְדִידִי וּלְדִידַהּ, קַמֵּי דִידָךְ מַאן טָרַח?

§ The mishna states that if she brought him one maidservant into the marriage with her, she does not need to grind wheat, bake, or wash clothes. The Gemara infers from this statement that she must nevertheless perform the other tasks. The Gemara asks: Let the wife say to him: I brought you a woman in my place [ baḥarikai ] who can perform all the tasks I am supposed to do, and the wife should be completely exempt. The Gemara answers: This is not a valid argument because the husband can say to her: This maidservant toils for me and for herself like any other woman, but who will toil for you? It is necessary for the wife to do some work in order to cover some of her own expenses.

Segment 5

שְׁתַּיִם אֵינָהּ מְבַשֶּׁלֶת וְאֵינָהּ מְנִיקָה וְכוּ׳. הָא שְׁאָרָא עָבְדָא. וְתֵימָא לֵיהּ: עַיֵּילִית לָךְ אִיתְּתָא אַחֲרִיתִי דְּטָרְחָה לְדִידִי וּלְדִידַהּ, וַחֲדָא לְדִידָךְ וּלְדִידַהּ! מִשּׁוּם דְּאָמַר לַהּ: קַמֵּי אוֹרְחֵי וּפָרְחֵי מַאן טָרַח?

The mishna further said that if she brought him two maidservants, she does not need to cook and does not need to nurse her child. The Gemara infers: She must nevertheless perform the other tasks. The Gemara asks: Let the wife say to him: I brought you another woman who can toil for me and for herself, and one who can toil for you and for herself. Consequently, I do not need to do any work at all. The Gemara answers: This is also not a valid argument because he can say to her: Who is going to toil for the guests and wayfarers who will come because we are a large household? There are still other tasks that need to be performed.

Segment 6

שָׁלֹשׁ, אֵינָהּ מַצַּעַת הַמִּטָּה. הָא שְׁאָרָא עָבְדָא. וְתֵימָא לֵיהּ: עַיֵּילִית לָךְ אַחֲרִיתִי לְאוֹרְחֵי וּפָרְחֵי! מִשּׁוּם דְּאָמַר לַהּ: נְפִישׁ בְּנֵי בֵיתָא, נְפִישׁ אוֹרְחֵי וּפָרְחֵי.

The mishna further said that if she brought him three maidservants, she does not need to make his bed or make thread from wool. The Gemara infers: She must nevertheless perform the other tasks. The Gemara asks: Let her say to him: I brought you another woman to toil for the guests and wayfarers, in addition to one to toil for herself and for me, and another to toil for herself and for you. Therefore, I do not need to do any work at all. The Gemara answers: This is also not a valid argument because he can say to her: When the members of the house increase, the number of guests and wayfarers also increases and therefore there is still more work to be done.

Segment 7

אִי הָכִי, אֲפִילּוּ אַרְבַּע נָמֵי! אַרְבַּע, כֵּיוָן דִּנְפִישִׁי לְהוּ, מְסַיְּיעָן אַהֲדָדֵי.

The Gemara asks: If so, then even if she brought him four maidservants as well, she should also have to work, as there will be many more guests. But the mishna says that if she brought four maidservants she does not need to do anything. The Gemara answers: When there are four, since there are many of them, they assist one another and can complete all the necessary tasks.

Segment 8

אָמַר רַב חָנָא וְאִיתֵּימָא רַבִּי שְׁמוּאֵל בַּר נַחְמָנִי: לֹא הִכְנִיסָה לוֹ מַמָּשׁ, אֶלָּא כֵּיוָן שֶׁרְאוּיָה לְהַכְנִיס, אַף עַל פִּי שֶׁלֹּא הִכְנִיסָה. תָּנָא: אֶחָד שֶׁהִכְנִיסָה לוֹ, וְאֶחָד שֶׁצִּמְצְמָה לוֹ מִשֶּׁלָּהּ.

Rav Ḥana, and some say Rav Shmuel bar Naḥmani, said: This does not necessarily mean that she actually brought him maidservants. Rather, once she is able to bring him maidservants, i.e., once her dowry is sufficiently large to buy maidservants, then she is exempt from performing the tasks, although she did not actually bring him maidservants. The Sages taught: Whether she brought him actual maidservants or whether she reduced her own needs in order to release enough money to bring a maidservant to work, she is exempt from the tasks.

Segment 9

אַרְבַּע, יוֹשֶׁבֶת בְּקָתֶדְרָא. אָמַר רַב יִצְחָק בַּר חֲנַנְיָא אָמַר רַב הוּנָא: אַף עַל פִּי שֶׁאָמְרוּ יוֹשֶׁבֶת בְּקָתֶדְרָא, אֲבָל מוֹזֶגֶת לוֹ כּוֹס וּמַצַּעַת לוֹ אֶת הַמִּטָּה ומַרְחֶצֶת לוֹ פָּנָיו יָדָיו וְרַגְלָיו.

§ The mishna says that if she brought him four maidservants, she may sit in a chair and not do anything. Rav Yitzḥak bar Ḥananya said that Rav Huna said: Although they said that she may sit in a chair and does not need to work, she should still pour his cup; and make his bed; and wash his face, hands, and feet, as these responsibilities are not household tasks that can be delegated to a maidservant. Rather, they are gestures of affection toward her husband.

Segment 10

אָמַר רַב יִצְחָק בַּר חֲנַנְיָא אָמַר רַב הוּנָא: כׇּל מְלָאכוֹת שֶׁהָאִשָּׁה עוֹשָׂה לְבַעְלָהּ, נִדָּה עוֹשָׂה לְבַעְלָהּ, חוּץ מִמְּזִיגַת הַכּוֹס, וְהַצָּעַת הַמִּטָּה, וְהַרְחָצַת פָּנָיו יָדָיו וְרַגְלָיו.

Rav Yitzḥak bar Ḥananya also said that Rav Huna said a similar halakha : All tasks that a wife performs for her husband, a menstruating woman may similarly perform for her husband, except for: Pouring his cup; and making his bed; and washing his face, hands, and feet. As explained above, these are acts of affection. If she is menstruating she should not perform them, so as not to lead to forbidden intercourse.

Segment 11

וְהַצָּעַת הַמִּטָּה. אָמַר רָבָא: לָא אֲמַרַן אֶלָּא בְּפָנָיו, אֲבָל שֶׁלֹּא בְּפָנָיו — לֵית לַן בַּהּ. וּמְזִיגַת הַכּוֹס. שְׁמוּאֵל מְחַלְּפָא לֵיהּ דְּבֵיתְהוּ בִּידָא דִשְׂמָאלָא. אַבָּיֵי מַנְּחָא לֵיהּ אַפּוּמָּא דְכוּבָּא. רָבָא אַבֵּי סַדְיָא. רַב פָּפָּא אַשַּׁרְשִׁיפָא.

And with regard to the prohibition against making the husband’s bed, Rava said: We said this only if she made the bed in front of him, but if it was not in front of him, we have no problem with it. With regard to the prohibition against pouring his cup, the Gemara comments: Shmuel’s wife would change her practice toward him during her menstruation period and pour with her left hand, since if she made some change in the manner of pouring, this would serve as a reminder of her status and mitigate the concern that it might lead to intimacy. Abaye’s wife would place his cup on top of a barrel, Rava’s wife would place it on his pillow, and Rav Pappa’s wife would place it on the bench to create a change.

Segment 12

אָמַר רַב יִצְחָק בַּר חֲנַנְיָא אָמַר רַב הוּנָא: הַכֹּל מְשַׁהִין בִּפְנֵי הַשַּׁמָּשׁ, חוּץ מִבָּשָׂר וְיַיִן. אָמַר רַב חִסְדָּא: בָּשָׂר שָׁמֵן וְיַיִן יָשָׁן. אָמַר רָבָא: בָּשָׂר שָׁמֵן — כׇּל הַשָּׁנָה כּוּלָּהּ, יַיִן יָשָׁן — בִּתְקוּפַת תַּמּוּז.

§ Apropos statements by Rav Yitzḥak ben Ḥananya, the Gemara cites other statements in his name. Rav Yitzḥak bar Ḥananya said that Rav Huna said: All foods may be withheld from before the waiter, as one who is a waiter at the meal must wait until the guests have eaten from every food and only then may he eat, except for meat and wine, as these foods arouse the appetite more and the waiter would suffer if he could not eat them together with the other participants. Rav Ḥisda said: This is referring only to fatty meat and aged wine. Rava said: It applies to fatty meat all year round but aged wine only during the season of Tammuz, in the summer. Due to the heat, the aroma of the wine is more pervasive at that time.

Segment 13

אָמַר רַב עָנָן בַּר תַּחְלִיפָא: הֲוָה קָאֵימְנָא קַמֵּיהּ דְּמָר שְׁמוּאֵל וְאַיְיתוֹ לֵיהּ תַּבְשִׁילָא דְאַרְדֵי, וְאִי לָאו דִּיהַב לִי, אִיסְתַּכַּנִי. אָמַר רַב אָשֵׁי: הֲוָה קָאֵימְנָא קַמֵּיהּ דְּרַב כָּהֲנָא וְאַיְיתוֹ לֵיהּ גַּרְגְּלִידֵי דְלִיפְתָּא בְּחַלָּא, וְאִי לָאו דִּיהַב לִי, אִיסְתַּכַּנִי. רַב פָּפָּא אָמַר: אֲפִילּוּ תְּמַרְתָּא דַּהֲנוּנִיתָא. כְּלָלָא דְמִילְּתָא: כֹּל דְּאִית לֵיהּ רֵיחָא וְאִית לֵיהּ קִיּוּהָא.

Rav Anan bar Taḥalifa said: I was once standing before Mar Shmuel, and they brought him a cooked dish of mushrooms, and if he had not given me some, I would have been endangered due to the craving that I suffered. Rav Ashi said: I was once standing before Rav Kahana, and they brought him slices [ gargelidei ] of turnip in vinegar, and if he had not given me some, I would have been endangered. Rav Pappa said: Even a fragrant date should be offered to the waiter. The Gemara concludes: The principle of the matter is: One should offer some of everything that either has an aroma or that has a sharp taste to whomever is present when it is served, so that no one suffer by being unable to partake of these foods.

Segment 14

אֲבוּהּ בַּר אִיהִי וּמִנְיָמִין בַּר אִיהִי, חַד סָפֵי מִכֹּל מִינָא וּמִינָא, וְחַד סָפֵי מֵחַד מִינָא. מָר — מִשְׁתַּעֵי אֵלִיָּהוּ בַּהֲדֵיהּ, וּמָר — לָא מִשְׁתַּעֵי אֵלִיָּהוּ בַּהֲדֵיהּ.

It is related about two Sages, Avuh bar Ihi and Minyamin bar Ihi, that one of them was accustomed to give his waiter from every type of food that he ate, while the other one would give him only one of the types of food that he ate. The Gemara says: Elijah spoke with this Sage, but Elijah did not speak with that Sage, since he did not act with piety and caused his waiter to suffer.

Segment 15

הָנְהוּ תַּרְתֵּין חֲסִידֵי, וְאָמְרִי לַהּ: רַב מָרִי וְרַב פִּנְחָס בְּנֵי רַב חִסְדָּא, מָר קָדֵים סָפֵי, וּמָר מְאַחַר סָפֵי. דְּקָדֵים סָפֵי — אֵלִיָּהוּ מִשְׁתַּעֵי בַּהֲדֵיהּ, דִּמְאַחַר סָפֵי — לָא מִשְׁתַּעֵי אֵלִיָּהוּ בַּהֲדֵיהּ.

Similarly, the Gemara relates an incident with regard to two pious men, and some say they were Rav Mari and Rav Pineḥas, the sons of Rav Ḥisda: One Sage would give the waiter something to eat before the meal, and the other Sage would give the waiter something to eat after the guests had eaten. With regard to the one who gave it to him earlier, Elijah spoke with him. But with regard to the one who gave it to him later, Elijah did not speak with him.

Segment 16

אַמֵּימָר וּמָר זוּטְרָא וְרַב אָשֵׁי הָווּ קָא יָתְבִי אַפִּיתְחָא דְּבֵי אִזְגּוּר מַלְכָּא. חָלֵיף וְאָזֵיל אֲטוּרַנְגָּא דְמַלְכָּא. חַזְיֵיהּ רַב אָשֵׁי לְמָר זוּטְרָא

The Gemara relates another incident with regard to this matter: Ameimar and Mar Zutra and Rav Ashi were sitting at the entrance to the house of King Izgur. The king’s chief butler was passing by with various foods. Rav Ashi saw Mar Zutra’s

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