Temurah 19a

אֲבָל גַּבֵּי תְּמוּרַת וְלַד אָשָׁם, דְּלֵיכָּא שֵׁם עוֹלָה עַל אִמּוֹ, מוֹדֵי רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר דִּבְדָמָיו אִין הוּא עַצְמוֹ לָא קָרֵב.

But with regard to the offspring of the substitute of a guilt offering, where there is no burnt offering status for its mother, as the animal for which it was substituted was a guilt offering, Rabbi Elazar concedes that an animal purchased with its money, received from selling the offspring, yes, it is sacrificed as a burnt offering, but the offspring itself is not sacrificed as a burnt offering.

אֵיתִיבֵיהּ אַבָּיֵי: וְכִי בָּעֵי רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר שֵׁם עוֹלָה עַל אִמּוֹ? וְהָא תַּנְיָא: הַמַּפְרִישׁ נְקֵבָה לְפִסְחוֹ — תִּרְעֶה עַד (שֶׁיִּסְתָּאֵב) [שֶׁתִּסְתָּאֵב], וְתִמָּכֵר, וְיָבִיא בְּדָמֶיהָ פֶּסַח. יָלְדָה — יִרְעֶה עַד שֶׁיִּסְתָּאֵב, וְיִמָּכֵר, וְיָבִיא בְּדָמָיו פֶּסַח.

Abaye raised an objection to Rava: And does Rabbi Elazar require that there be burnt offering status for its mother, in order for the offspring to be sacrificed as a burnt offering? But isn’t it taught in a baraita : In the case of one who designates a female animal for his Paschal offering, which must be a male, the animal is left to graze until it becomes unfit, and it is then sold and he brings a Paschal offering with the money received for its sale. If the female animal gave birth to a male,the offspring may not be sacrificed as a Paschal offering despite the fact that it is a male. Rather, it is left to graze until it becomes unfit, and then it is sold and he brings a Paschal offering with the money received from its sale.

נִשְׁתַּיְּירָה אַחַר הַפֶּסַח, תִּרְעֶה עַד (שֶׁיִּסְתָּאֵב) [שֶׁתִּסְתָּאֵב], וְיָבִיא בְּדָמֶיהָ שְׁלָמִים. יָלְדָה, יִרְעֶה עַד שֶׁיִּסְתָּאֵב, וְיִמָּכֵר וְיָבִיא בְּדָמָיו שְׁלָמִים. רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר אוֹמֵר: הוּא עַצְמוֹ יִקְרַב שְׁלָמִים.

If the animal remained without a blemish until after Passover, it is left to graze until it becomes unfit, and he brings a peace offering with the money received for its sale. If it gave birth to a male after Passover, the offspring too is left to graze until it becomes unfit, and then it is sold, and he brings a peace offering with the money received for its sale. Rabbi Elazar disagrees in the latter case and says: The offspring itself is sacrificed as a peace offering.

וְהָא הָכָא, דְּלֵיכָּא שֵׁם שְׁלָמִים עַל אִמּוֹ, וְאָמַר רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר יִקְרַב שְׁלָמִים. אֲמַר לֵיהּ (רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר) [רָבָא]: ״אַחַר הַפֶּסַח״ קָא אָמְרַתְּ? שָׁאנֵי אַחַר הַפֶּסַח, דְּמוֹתַר פֶּסַח גּוּפֵיהּ קָרֵב שְׁלָמִים.

Abaye explains his objection: But here, it is a case where there is no peace offering status for its mother, as the mother was consecrated as a Paschal offering, and yet Rabbi Elazar says that the offspring is sacrificed as a peace offering. Rava said to Abaye in response: Do you say that this statement of Rabbi Elazar with regard to a Paschal offering after Passover contradicts my explanation? Not so; the status of a Paschal offering after Passover is different, as a leftover Paschal offering itself is sacrificed as a peace offering. Therefore, a female animal designated as a Paschal offering has the status of a peace offering after Passover.

אִי הָכִי, נִיפְלוֹג נָמֵי בְּרֵישָׁא! אֲמַר לֵיהּ: אִין הָכִי נָמֵי, וּפְלִיגִי.

Abaye asked Rava: If so, that the reason Rabbi Elazar permits the offspring to be sacrificed is that the mother also has the status of a peace offering, let Rabbi Elazar also disagree with the Rabbis in the first clause of the baraita , where the female animal designated as a Paschal offering gave birth before Passover. Rabbi Elazar should state that this offspring itself may be brought as a peace offering, as here too the mother has the status of a peace offering, since a Paschal offering slaughtered before Passover as a peace offering is valid. Rava said to Abaye: Yes, it is indeed so, and they disagree in this case as well.

אַבָּיֵי אָמַר: לָא פְּלִיג מִידֵּי, דִּגְמִירִי לִמְקוֹם שֶׁהַמּוֹתָר הוֹלֵךְ — הַוָּלָד הוֹלֵךְ; לְאַחַר הַפֶּסַח, דְּמוֹתָר קָרֵב שְׁלָמִים — וָלָד נָמֵי קָרֵב שְׁלָמִים.

Abaye suggested another explanation of the opinion of Rabbi Elazar and said: In a case where the female animal designated as a Paschal offering gave birth before Passover, there is nobody who disagrees; rather, they all agree that the offspring may not be sacrificed. As it is learned as a tradition that to the place that the leftover offering goes, the offspring goes as well. Therefore, after Passover, when the leftover Paschal offering is sacrificed as a peace offering, the offspring is also sacrificed as a peace offering.

אֲבָל לִפְנֵי הַפֶּסַח, אִימֵּיהּ לְמַאי אַקְדְּשַׁהּ? לִדְמֵי פֶסַח, וָלָד נָמֵי לִדְמֵי פֶסַח.

But before Passover, when the Paschal offering is not yet considered leftover, the offspring is endowed with the same sanctity as the mother. In what way is the mother consecrated? It is consecrated for the value of a Paschal offering, that is, so that it should be sold and a Paschal offering should be purchased with the proceeds, as the female animal itself may not be sacrificed as a Paschal offering. If so, the offspring as well is consecrated only for the value of a Paschal offering.

מֵתִיב רַב עוּקְבָא בַּר חָמָא: וּמִי אָמְרִינַן מִדְּאִימֵּיהּ לִדְמֵי, וָלָד נָמֵי לִדְמֵי? וְהָתַנְיָא: הַמַּפְרִישׁ נְקֵבָה לַפֶּסַח — הִיא וּוַלְדוֹתֶיהָ יִרְעוּ עַד שֶׁיִּסְתָּאֲבוּ, וְיִמָּכְרוּ, וְיָבִיא בִּדְמֵיהֶם פֶּסַח. רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר אוֹמֵר: הוּא עַצְמוֹ יִקְרַב פֶּסַח.

Rav Ukva bar Ḥama raises an objection to this explanation of Abaye: And do we say that Rabbi Elazar maintains that as its mother is consecrated only for the value of a Paschal offering, the offspring as well is consecrated only for the value of a Paschal offering? But isn’t it taught in a baraita : One who designates a female animal as a Paschal offering, it and its offspring are left to graze until they become unfit, and then they are sold, and he brings a Paschal offering with the money received for their sale. Rabbi Elazar says: The offspring itself is sacrificed as a Paschal offering.

וְהָא הָכָא, דְּאִימֵּיהּ לִדְמֵי, וְאָמַר רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר: הוּא עַצְמוֹ קָרֵב פֶּסַח, וְלָא מוֹקְמִינַן לֵיהּ בְּאִימֵּיהּ!

But here it is a case where its mother was consecrated for the value of a Paschal offering, and nevertheless Rabbi Elazar said that the offspring itself is sacrificed as a Paschal offering, and we do not establish the status of the offspring based upon the sanctity of the mother.

אָמַר רָבִינָא: בְּמַפְרִישׁ בְּהֵמָה מְעוּבֶּרֶת עָסְקִינַן, רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר סָבַר כְּרַבִּי יוֹחָנָן, דְּאָמַר: אִם שִׁיְּירוֹ מְשׁוּיָּיר, דְּעוּבָּר לָאו יֶרֶךְ אִמּוֹ הוּא, וְאִמּוֹ הִיא דְּלָא קָדְשָׁה קְדוּשַּׁת הַגּוּף, אֲבָל הִיא קָדְשָׁה.

Ravina says: One can answer that here we are dealing with a case of one who designates a pregnant animal, and Rabbi Elazar holds in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yoḥanan, who said with regard to one who consecrates a pregnant animal for a specific purpose, that if he left it out, i.e., designated the fetus as having a different sanctity, it is left out from the sanctity of the mother and consecrated in accordance with the designated sanctity. The reason is that a fetus is not considered the thigh of its mother, but rather the mother and its offspring are considered two separate animals. Here too, it is only its mother that is not sanctified with the inherent sanctity of a Paschal offering, but only for the value of a Paschal offering, as it is female. But the offspring is consecrated as a Paschal offering.

אֲמַר לֵיהּ מָר זוּטְרָא בְּרֵיהּ דְּרַב מָרִי לְרָבִינָא: הָכִי נָמֵי מִסְתַּבְּרָא דְּבִבְהֵמָה מְעוּבֶּרֶת עָסְקִינַן, מִדְּקָתָנֵי ״הִיא וּוַלְדוֹתֶיהָ״, שְׁמַע מִינַּהּ.

Mar Zutra, son of Rav Mari, said to Ravina: This, too, stands to reason, that we are dealing with a case where he designated a pregnant animal, from the fact that the baraita teaches: It and its offspring. This indicates that both the mother and its offspring were in existence at the time of the consecration. The Gemara comments: Conclude from here that this explanation is correct.